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#11 01/21/2010 4:48 pm

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Re: Help with mating alpacas

well, last night she spat at him when I first put him in the mating pen, but she didnt run and she lifted her tail up, so I encouraged them to try a bit longer. he wasnt all that interested in her after she spat at him, but, after pushing him over to her a few times, he got interested, mounted and woo hoo she sat down for him.

But, he couldnt figure it out again roll silly boy I guess it had been too long and he forgot LOL

So tonight will try again, hopefully he gets it this time.

Then tomorrow night is 7 days for Thelma, so we will test her.

Interesting stuff.

Oh, a question.

I have heard, that for maiden alpaca females, you sometimes have to break the hymen before the male alpaca can do his bit. Is that right? Is that something I should be doing with Louise before I put her with Kerry tonight? I didnt do it for Thelma ...

Oh, also I'm a sucker. I went out yesterday afternoon, to the breeder who I got Thelma and Louise from, because he had some mini horse colts, and I need one. So I went out there to pick out and buy a colt. Well. I got a colt. But I also bought two alpacas LOL 'Panda' is a 17 mth old black girl, with a white face and then black markings round the eyes that make her look like a panda bear. 'Harlequin' is a 6 yr old girl, she is brown although she has almost like a roan colouring over the top of the brown, kinda like frosting all over her. She has a white face and then a roan blaze down the middle of the face. Very very pretty.

So I guess Kerry has his work cut out for him over the next few weeks, and we are gonna have plenty of babies big_smile

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#12 01/21/2010 6:15 pm

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Re: Help with mating alpacas

Yes, new breeders are that way. roll

No, you don't have to break the hymen. I never have. I'm sure every once in a while you get that problem breeder who does need a hymen broken but I never have.

Congratulations on your new alpacas. I'm sure you will enjoy them. big_smile

By the way, I never let a male penetrate more than 3 times. Alpacas are one of the roughest breeders and can do a lot of damage. If you have bred them 3 times and the female is still going down, then it is time to get the vet out and spec check and ultrasound to see what is going on. Many times there is an infection going on or a retained CL.

Of course you get the double whammy with having a new breeding male who could be shooting blanks but it is easier to rule out an infection or retained CL before testing sperm.


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#13 01/21/2010 8:01 pm

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Re: Help with mating alpacas

thanks for that, its really more that he is just missing. He probes all over her sides and back end but doesnt find him goal ... roll

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#14 01/22/2010 9:20 pm

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Re: Help with mating alpacas

ksalvagno wrote:

Yes, new breeders are that way. roll

Many times there is an infection going on or a retained CL.

OK please do not laugh I do not have, breed or even thought about alpacas..............ok recently just a twinkle of a thought because I want to get into fiber but....................... what the heck is CL?

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#15 01/23/2010 9:28 am

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Re: Help with mating alpacas

The corpus luteum (Latin for "yellow body") (plural corpora lutea) is a temporary endocrine structure in mammals, involved in production of progestogen, which is needed to maintain the endometrium.


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#16 01/23/2010 8:54 pm

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Re: Help with mating alpacas

Okay now I am even more confused.

Last night at 7 days, Thelma sat for him. And allowed him to mate her.

What gives? I thought she wasnt supposed to do that, regardless of her pregnancy status??

Also last night, even though I had told the handlers not to test Louise, they did >sad and so she was mated again by Kerry. That would make three goes in a row for her.

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#17 01/24/2010 10:58 am

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Re: Help with mating alpacas

Well, Thelma may have gone down just because. If she is more submissive, the more submissive may go down every time the male tries to breed her. There could be a funky cycle going on. Maybe you caught her on a low day of being receptive and now she is at the proper point in her cycle. See what she does at day 14. Normally they will not go down at 7 days but you get that female that does do it every once in a while. If your females are maidens, sometimes all bets are off. I prefer to see them not go down at 7 days but wait for the 14 day mark to see what happens.

As far as Louise, you probably hit her 3 days that she would be receptive. They don't know they are pregnant for a few days so they will go down. I only like to let one good breeding happen per cycle but some people do 2 breedings per cycle. Just test her in 7 days from last breeding and see what happens. At least she did go down for you.

I'm sure you know with the goats and sheep that anything can happen with breeding and sometimes the females just don't read the book. tongue


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#18 01/24/2010 3:58 pm

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Re: Help with mating alpacas

thanks smile oh yes, some of them like to chew up the rule book thats for sure

can you give me the reader's digest version of an alpacas cycle?

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#19 01/24/2010 6:27 pm

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Re: Help with mating alpacas

Basically it is a 14 day cycle and they are willing to breed in the middle 3 days. Pretty simple.

Here is a llama gestation chart that some people use. http://www.mountlehmanllamas.com/CriaDueDate.html

When they give birth, I don't breed back until they are at 21 days. Some breed back at 14 days but I think it is a bit hard on them and they need a few more days to heal from birthing.


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