Temp up and down on Milker

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We are at a loss. My vet is a little perplexed too.
Our doe's temp went down to 100, then 99. It now fluctuates between 98-101.
We noticed one morning she was being more bratty than usual on the stand. She often gets bratty when her bag gets overly full. She will dance and settle down. She didn't and was awful, she also did not want but a nibble of feed. Took temp.
She did eat her hay all day and no issues, temp went up the back down to 98. Gave her some drench (she hates molasses- so it is an issue) gave probios.
Next day she did eat some grain- we left kid on her instead of separating and milking. Temp went up to 101, by evening back down to 98. Took drench without any issue. Strange for her. Kept warm water in stall. Bitter cold here the past few nights, gave her a "coat".
We are leaving kid with her and not milking.
Temp down this am again.
She is eating hay chewing cud like normal.
Refuses minerals.

History-
Lamancha doe in milk 18 months into lactation. No issues.
Has always had orchard hay with small amounts of alfalfa here and there.
Feed on stanchion-
2 parts Bartlett goat feed (17-18%)
1 part Alfalfa pellets
1/4 -12 part Whole oats
sprinkle BOSS

Change-
We are having a hard time getting our usual hay (6-8 % protein- all our dairy goats do fine on this and have never been big fans of alfalfa)
We started giving them alfalfa/orchard 80/20 and got a truckload delivered. It is the only hay we can find. It is some beautiful hay and goats love it.

Hypothesis- I am wondering if it is just too rich for her. The protein and calcium is pretty high. I know with milk fever they need calcium but too much Calcium can be a problem too. Too much protein can cause kidney issues and too much Calcium can cause a toxicity issue.

We are drawing blood and getting a panel done as well as mineral analysis.

Meanwhile we are taking her off the hay and going out to get ridiculously overpriced orchard. :\

I am concerned about all my other goats... I have many that are pregnant.
With her being in milk for so long you'd think she'd be fine with the extra... I don't know.

Any ideas?

Oh yeah, we will take a few temps tonight on some of the other goats and see if there are any others having temp issues.
 

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18 months is a very long milk season and like you mentioned, the high intake of protein and calcium could be linked here somehow. The BOSS and pellets in addition to the rich hay, and her refusal of minerals, makes me think you are onto something. That is a lot of alfalfa in that bend! I bet that was pricey.

Is there a way that isn't too much of a pain in the butt that you could feed here separately, taking away all but the hay and water (no BOSS, oats, or pellets)? Is the kid she is nursing old enough to be weaned?
 

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Her kid is a brat! :D
She is (kid) is leaving this weekend! :weee

Yes, we put her on orchard last night and are feeding just a little Bartlett this am. Not milking either as kid was with her all night.
The brat goat :p is obese! Kid is so old now it is ridiculous...
The momma though seems to have some internal thing going on where her body says I need to make more milk. :rolleyes: That is great but not when we are trying to dry her off. We had her down to just over a quart but looks like she is trying to go back up. She is one of those that bounces back, once the kid leaves I won't be surprised if she end up back at 3 qts or so. She gets very little food on the stand and we will be reducing that over the next week back to no feed. They only get feed if they are lactating. Maybe that will dry her up too.

Sent blood in last night- having comprehensive done.
Hopefully it will show us something.:hu
 

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I am stumped. I am leaning towards too rich of feed and she isn't eating enough of it because of that. Got any plain mixed grass, no legumes hay available?
 

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Put only orchard out today- other goats are miffed. LOL
She also has (what's left) of grass.forage. Unfortunately not much there...everything is turning brown.
 

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Got the results back. Do NOT like this lab.
May draw more blood and send to PA

The results I have say she has elevated levels that all point to liver.
Can you say STRESSED?
Millie is obviously stressed too... she has had a bloom through all this. We are not milking her she is awful on the stand, lays down and is not going to let us milk. We are not really trying to milk her and want her to dry off... her doeling is leaving next week and that has me worried... with nothing keeping that bag emptied or relieved I don't know what she will do.

Meanwhile our hay guy that we have used for years, and cannot get hay from this year.. we had a drought in our little pocket... and he needs all the hay for his cattle.... after talking to him for a bit he brought over a big round. I could have cried! He is a good man, told us he isn't selling hay to anyone this year but he spare a few for us.
Love my hay guy!

We are mixing it with our other hay.

The hay we had shipped in is nice and rich... maybe too rich and I noticed in some bales there is ALOT of clover. I suspect maybe clover poisoning.

Temp has stopped fluctuating but something is still not right.

WHY DO I GAVE GOATS?
 

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Good luck and hope you figure it out for her and you :hugs:hugs That was super nice of your hay guy! Can you delay the doeling leaving to help keep her milked or isn't that possible?
 

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Sure hope you can, correct what ever it is.:idunno. The hay that I got this Mo., is really dry and loaded with clover. I noticed they love it, is this some thing I should look out for ?? The only time I new clover could be bad/poisonious is if it got frost bitten.
 

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yes, I be interested to know about clover as well....our rabbits love clover in the hay. We get our hay from a friend who has horses so it is a mix.
 
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