Hens and Roos
Herd Master
so sorry to hear this 
, hope the new one becomes good buddies with him!
, hope the new one becomes good buddies with him!
My Boer Goats have diarrhea???
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babsbag
Herd Master
Sorry you lost the little guy, I was hoping for a better outcome. I can honestly say that in 7 years and many many kids I have had only one get cocci a second time. That would not have been my first guess without a fecal.
And without a fecal your vet was just guessing on the worms. If the kid was that infested with worms then the normal oral treatment could have killed him just as quickly as the worm load. Did you treat orally or injected? Did the vet suggest some iron supplement?
I don't know this vet but I have issues with a vet saying "just treat for worms whether he has them or not". There is such a problem with worms becoming resistant to the wormers we use that as producers we need to be judicious in their use and not just worm because we can. Your vet should know better and not suggest that to you.
Also, what kind of wormer did you use? Safeguard is not usually effective at the dosage listed on the bottle. Without the fecal you don't know what worm is present or how to treat it.
Please don't think I am pointing fingers or blame on you, you did your best and you consulted with the expert, that is all we can do at times and that is why there are vets. I just question their advice in this situation.
And without a fecal your vet was just guessing on the worms. If the kid was that infested with worms then the normal oral treatment could have killed him just as quickly as the worm load. Did you treat orally or injected? Did the vet suggest some iron supplement?
I don't know this vet but I have issues with a vet saying "just treat for worms whether he has them or not". There is such a problem with worms becoming resistant to the wormers we use that as producers we need to be judicious in their use and not just worm because we can. Your vet should know better and not suggest that to you.
Also, what kind of wormer did you use? Safeguard is not usually effective at the dosage listed on the bottle. Without the fecal you don't know what worm is present or how to treat it.
Please don't think I am pointing fingers or blame on you, you did your best and you consulted with the expert, that is all we can do at times and that is why there are vets. I just question their advice in this situation.
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nstone630
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Sorry you lost the little guy, I was hoping for a better outcome. I can honestly say that in 7 years and many many kids I have had only one get cocci a second time. That would not have been my first guess without a fecal.
And without a fecal your vet was just guessing on the worms. If the kid was that infested with worms then the normal oral treatment could have killed him just as quickly as the worm load. Did you treat orally or injected? Did the vet suggest some iron supplement?
I don't know this vet but I have issues with a vet saying "just treat for worms whether he has them or not". There is such a problem with worms becoming resistant to the wormers we use that as producers we need to be judicious in their use and not just worm because we can. Your vet should know better and not suggest that to you.
Also, what kind of wormer did you use? Safeguard is not usually effective at the dosage listed on the bottle. Without the fecal you don't know what worm is present or how to treat it.
Please don't think I am pointing fingers or blame on you, you did your best and you consulted with the expert, that is all we can do at times and that is why there are vets. I just question their advice in this situation.
I have unfortunately learned a lot with this loss of mine. And I am taking every bit of criticism as constructive criticism.
I did use safe guard, and we used the dosing amount listed on the bottle. (if not for websites and people like this, how would we know better??) These are things you'd think a trusted vet would be able to tell you.
My other male no longer has signs of diarrhea. I'm hoping he is in the clear. If I'm able to this weekend to get a fecal sample from him, just to know 100% I will. Might be a silly question, but do you just walk around following him until he lets some roll?
Thank you for all the help.
Goat Whisperer
Herd Master
I am so sorry for your loss
Yes get a fecal on that boy and also your new doeling. Waiting until they scour is NOT good. Yep, I just stand and wait for them to drop some berries
I LOVE your new girl BTW! She is a cutie!
Yes get a fecal on that boy and also your new doeling. Waiting until they scour is NOT good. Yep, I just stand and wait for them to drop some berries
I LOVE your new girl BTW! She is a cutie!
OneFineAcre
Herd Master
I can't tell you how many hours I have spent standing around with sand which bags waiting for goats to poop
Oh and put the samples in the fridge if you plan on taking them to a vet or lab to do the fecal float
At warm temps the eggs will start to hatch in about 30 to 45 minutes
Oh and put the samples in the fridge if you plan on taking them to a vet or lab to do the fecal float
At warm temps the eggs will start to hatch in about 30 to 45 minutes
babsbag
Herd Master
I never wanted to sound critical but in writing it is hard to write "tone of voice" into the posts. You did the best you could, it was your vet's job to guide you.
There has been discussions on here before about Corid and cocci and vitamin B and it all gets very confusing. Basically, CORID mimics thiamin (Vitamin B1) which is required by coccidia for normal growth and reproduction. When coccidia ingest CORID, they experience thiamin deficiency and starve from malnutrition.
Giving a vitamin B shot gives the cocci something to eat that isn't corid, counter productive.
My vet says that she has never seen a goat treated with Corid for one course of treatment actually suffer from Thiamine deficiency but she also suggest another treatment if possible, no sense to tempt fate.
And like the others said...walk behind with a baggie, and trust me, they know you are there and will take FOREVER. If you do it right after they eat it can SOMETIMES be faster.
Good luck.
There has been discussions on here before about Corid and cocci and vitamin B and it all gets very confusing. Basically, CORID mimics thiamin (Vitamin B1) which is required by coccidia for normal growth and reproduction. When coccidia ingest CORID, they experience thiamin deficiency and starve from malnutrition.
Giving a vitamin B shot gives the cocci something to eat that isn't corid, counter productive.
My vet says that she has never seen a goat treated with Corid for one course of treatment actually suffer from Thiamine deficiency but she also suggest another treatment if possible, no sense to tempt fate.
And like the others said...walk behind with a baggie, and trust me, they know you are there and will take FOREVER. If you do it right after they eat it can SOMETIMES be faster.
Good luck.
babsbag
Herd Master
Oh, as far as the dosage on Safeguard, I can't tell you what to use as I don't remember and I don't use it. But I do remember that it is much much higher than what the bottle says. For Barber Pole worms where I live we can still use Ivermectin given orally so that is what I use. Fortunately for me I live where summers are always dry and hot and we have no irrigated pastures so worms are not an issue I deal with very often.
A friend of mine that does have goats on pasture had one die a while back when she wormed it. It was heavily infested and the treatment literally killed it. She is kicking herself hard as she knew better.
A friend of mine that does have goats on pasture had one die a while back when she wormed it. It was heavily infested and the treatment literally killed it. She is kicking herself hard as she knew better.
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nstone630
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Looks like this weekend coming up I'll be getting myself and the kids some baggies and following these little guys around for some samples. The kids will be thrilled
alsea1
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You can speed things up a bit by placing a surgicle glove on and lubricating the finger. Have someone hold the goat. Insert your finger gently into the anus. Doing this will cause muscle's to expel poop. As you withdraw your finger fold the glove down on itself. This will create a neat little package of poop for you vet that did not touch the ground or you.
