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I am losing my goats left and right. I took one to get an autopsy but I won't know what is killing them for maybe a few more days but something needs to be done now! We are starting to think it is barber pole worms. We have wormed the goats we ivermec but they say that won't kill barber poles since they arnt in the gut of the goat. But I read in different places that the quest horse wormer will give the adult barber pole worms. Everyone has said the same thing that 1cc per 100 lb but I have little Nigerian kids that are probably no more then 15-20lb the adults are around 50-60 so that would be 1/2 cc, does this sound right ??? They are becoming very animic and dying so I have everyone on red cell and making sure they are getting enough protein and forage.
 

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You really need to have a fecal analysis and possibly a blood test done to determine what's really killing them. I'm sorry I can't help you, but perhaps others can. If the worm load is so high it's already killing them, then killing all the worms too fast could also kill them from bleeding out internally when the worms die and release.

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Ivermectin does kill barberpole.
It is possible for resistance but more likely they have flukes.
Flukes are bloodsuckers like the barberpole and cause severe anemia. Ivermectin will not touch flukes.
You would need Ivermectin Plus.

If kids are dying I would be looking for cocci as well.

This year seems to be a hard one... it seems all over the country there are severe worm and cocci issues.

A fecal analysis is best because you really need to know what you are treating, no guessing.

Each vet has their "own" dosage recommendations.
Most in our area say 1cc for 30-50 lbs for Ivermectin

I have never heard of very high counts(parasites) on kids, usually it is cocci but this year has been odd. I had a call from a lady that had a 3 month old kid with a 2100 EPG! and 200+cocci.
My first thought was how is the kid not dead! :ep

Get that fecal ASAP! This way you know for sure. I would recommend a fecal on 1 adult and 1 kid.

If very high loads you do run the risk of them bleeding out when the bloodsuckers detatch. If it is barberpole I would use Fenbendazole 1cc 10 lbs ( if vet agrees) and do a 5 day course. Yes it is more work but allows a slower detach and may be better in the long run. 10 days later follow up with ivermectin.

Of course you should talk with your vet and work with their recommendations.

Do they have any other symptoms?
 

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We have had fecals done and my vet only found two worm eggs. The lab has blood but they just got in today so it could be a few days before I get answers. We have talked to other vets and a very close friend of mine who has had goats for most of her life and she says it sounds exactly like barber pole worms. I'm hoping the lab will get back to me as quick as possible. And no the goats that are dying so far are older like 7 months and up. I also picked up some high B Vitiam complex and some probiotic gel.
 

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Barber Pole should show eggs and yes they are in the gut, not sure where that came from. Adult worms attach in the abomasal which is the 4th stomach of a goat. The dose we use to treat is 1cc/40lbs so 1cc/100 isn't even close so you probably aren't killing them. If they have them bad enough to die from them then I would inject the ivermectin to get a slower kill. But if your vet did a fecal and found no eggs and no cocci then I would suspect Liver Fluke and get the Ivermectin Plus.

Sorry you are losing your babies. :(
 

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The vet showed us the eggs he found , he let me look at them. And then I pulled up a picture of barber worm eggs and they look the exact same! So idk why my vet didn't tell me what kind they were. But I'm hoping they call me tomorrow and tell me what caused it.
They did call today and say he died from animaia :rolleyes: and I was like I know that. Now I'm waiting to hear what caused it. I'm just hoping they find out in time before I lose all my babies :hit.
 

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Barber pole and Flukes look very similar under the slide.
Many have a hard time telling the difference.

Are you using ivermectin @ 1cc per 100lbs, or the Quest wormer?

Barber pole worms and flukes can have the same symptoms as well.

So sorry you are are loosing goats :hugs So heartbreaking :hit
 

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Yes the vet got the fecal himself :confused: I think me and my buck felt violated. As soon as my vet got what he needed he started the test. This year has been a very bad year for me. At one point I just wanted to sell all my goats and get out of them :(, in this year i have lost 7 goats. My first buck died in January but luckily he bred one of my does so I have his beautiful daughter. Then in April one of my does died because she got out her pen and got in the shed and ate chick fed. In this month I have lost a mom and her twins( all 3 registered) my blue eyed buck, and my registered buck :(, and now I'm worried I may still lose more.
 
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