Worming my pregnant doe

Tapes won't effect eyelid. FAMACHA is used for bloodsuckers only.
Barberpole is what it was developed for however I believe it is effective for flukes as well.

Tapes are generally whitish, not yellow. They are generally seen as small segments. Sometimes you will see the whole worm and wowzers.
Usually you do not need to deworm for tapes unless the goat is really loaded. I would run a fecal and see how many "eggs" (not truly an egg per se) are there.

SAfegard can be used but must be a 3 day course at a higher dose.

DebbieG said:

Just bred two does yesterday. Of course AFTER the fact one doe pooped pellets with multiple yellow pieces of something. Took one in the house and looked under microscope. Doesn't really look like anything, but is what I am seeing tapeworm? Her eyelids look fine, but if tapeworm, too late for Valbazen. Safeguard ok?

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If you were using Valbazen previously then, it is fine to use during pregnancy, but not to newly introduce. In fact, worming particularly for tapes is recommended along with Covexin 8 5-6 weeks pre-kidding as Doe passes tapes to kids. I have seen severely tape infested goats pass and cough up balls of tapes and tapes come out their nose. In segments they appear as a whitish in color piece of rice. It takes just one of those segments hiding out from worming treatment for +/- 6 months to infest goat. Look at her gums; if the reddish/dark pink color is fading, goat has worms. If gums appear light gray, chalky color-she really has worms. And if you add a dirty butt to that-you have a bad infestation. She may have a runny nose as well. Tapes will enter into the respiratory system. The more segments seen in the berries-the wormier the goat is. Each segment is a producing worm. One farm I went to work for I collected two fully in tact tapes for two of my local Vets to preserve for display: 1-22" and 1-19" long. Tapes do not need a host to survive. They are most prevalent in the underside of new, lush spring grasses. And if memory serves, ticks can pass tapes.

CJ. said:

If you were using Valbazen previously then, it is fine to use during pregnancy, but not to newly introduce. In fact, worming particularly for tapes is recommended along with Covexin 8 5-6 weeks pre-kidding

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Valbazon should NOT be used in the first 45 days of pregnancy.
Most will not give to any pregnant sheep or goat when there are safer dewormers to use.
As far as Covexin 8 - although a CD &T is recommended 30 days prioir to lambing and kidding the Covexin 8 has much more to it.
None of our vets recommend it (we have 4 vets) check with your vet and find out more about this first.

CJ. said:

I have seen severely tape infested goats pass and cough up balls of tapes and tapes come out their nose.

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Tapes live in the intestinal tract and are ingested not inhaled.

CJ. said:

- 6 months to infest goat.

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Adults live for approx 3 months. The stage is different for different species.

CJ. said:

If gums appear light gray, chalky color-she really has worms.

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Checking gums is very inaccurate in sheep and goats. This is more of a dog/cat method. Fecal analysis is best.

CJ. said:

And if memory serves, ticks can pass tapes.

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The Moniezia does need a mite as intermediary host.
Frogs and skinks can bring in tapes as well.
There are other species of tapeworm that infects sheep/goats.

The article below is excellent. Most sheep are resistant to this kind of tape.

http://www.sheepandgoat.com/#!tapeworms/c3ko

Southern by choice said:

Valbazon should NOT be used in the first 45 days of pregnancy.
Most will not give to any pregnant sheep or goat when there are safer dewormers to use.
As far as Covexin 8 - although a CD &T is recommended 30 days prioir to lambing and kidding the Covexin 8 has much more to it.
None of our vets recommend it (we have 4 vets) check with your vet and find out more about this first.

Tapes live in the intestinal tract and are ingested not inhaled.

Adults live for approx 3 months. The stage is different for different species.

Checking gums is very inaccurate in sheep and goats. This is more of a dog/cat method. Fecal analysis is best.

The Moniezia does need a mite as intermediary host.
Frogs and skinks can bring in tapes as well.
There are other species of tapeworm that infects sheep/goats.

The article below is excellent. Most sheep are resistant to this kind of tape.

http://www.sheepandgoat.com/#!tapeworms/c3ko

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Good info from SBC!

I normally don't freak out over tapeworms because of the articles I have read from reputable resources like wormex.com. However, we had a problem with them this summer in our young stock and one milker. After some more research and talking with my vet we used praziquantel. It is the only wormer that actually kills all stages of the tapeworm. You can use a horse paste that has it (Zimectrim gold, Quest Plus, etc) or use the "fish tape" meds and figure out the dose, which isn't easy- at least for me. With the first method you are also using another wormer too- good if they need it and bad if they only have tapes. I'd suggest asking your vet about it and discussing the doses initially.

The young doe who was struggling to gain weight and had a decreased appetite, but a clean fecal other than tape worm segments improved GREATLY in less than a week after being wormed- and I had used Valbazen and Safeguard correctly previously without any improvement. That's when the vet recommended the praziquantel and I saw improvement right away.

Fullhousefarm said:

praziquantel

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From what I understand that is best for almost all species of tape and for most species of animals getting tape.

So glad you mentioned it. I almost said something but thought ahhh that's another can of worms...
I am also glad to hear how well it worked for you.
I have no experience with it in goats so always nice to hear what is working for another.

Interesting how rarely it is recommended or used though.
Wonder if is because of the difficulty in dosing.

I know that this is an old thread but I am researching tape worms in goats. I just found the info on praziquantel and the dose is 10 x more for goats than it is for a horse. No wonder it isn't used very often.
http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3683&Itemid=4078

I think I am going to use Valbazen; fortunately no one is bred and I am not using the milk. I have to dose 60+ goats so three days of Safeguard is not going to make me very happy. I have some goats with coats from hell (or almost no coat at all) and I have seen tape worm segments so it is time. I wish they had an injectable drug, so much easier to shoot than to dose..

babsbag said:

I know that this is an old thread but I am researching tape worms in goats. I just found the info on praziquantel and the dose is 10 x more for goats than it is for a horse. No wonder it isn't used very often.
http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3683&Itemid=4078

I think I am going to use Valbazen; fortunately no one is bred and I am not using the milk. I have to dose 60+ goats so three days of Safeguard is not going to make me very happy. I have some goats with coats from hell (or almost no coat at all) and I have seen tape worm segments so it is time. I wish they had an injectable drug, so much easier to shoot than to dose..

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Maybe this is a good time to do the fenben pellets... girls are in milk and you don't grain often so I bet they'd eat it up.

babsbag said:

I wish they had an injectable drug, so much easier to shoot than to dose..

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Now see? I thought this and said this when I wormed my goats. I specifically asked the vet for an injectable. When I posted that on here, I was told that dosing was so much easier? Maybe not in your case because you have so many? Maybe it's just me...

I can get to the injection sites while they are in the milk stand, I can't get to their mouth. I don't mind giving a few cc to a few goats but giving it to 60 can be a challenge.

@Southern by choice I thought about the pellets and looked for them and couldn't find any listed or dosed for goats. All the stuff I found is .5% fenben and I know that the fenben for goats in liquid is much higher.

babsbag said:

@Southern by choice I thought about the pellets and looked for them and couldn't find any listed or dosed for goats. All the stuff I found is .5% fenben and I know that the fenben for goats in liquid is much higher.

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.5% is a higher concentration than the liquid.