Why is handling/petting/socializing with your ram not recommended?

So, I've been reading a lot in these forums, and I apologize if this is covered somewhere, but I was a little surprised and confused at all the posts that imply that handling and petting a ram is bad?

I have two dorpers - one male, one female. The male's mom died at birth, so he was a bottle baby and is now almost five months old. He is super, super friendly and will let anyone approach him. I ended up in this forum looking for some advice now that he's begun ramming us here and there (it doesn't hurt, but I also get it eventually will) as for how to curb the behavior. But I was confused as many comments seemed to infer handling/petting/socializing with your ram isn't preferred. Can anyone fill me in as to why?

The problem becomes when your ram is overly friendly and socialized to humans and starts treating humans like other sheep. A ram can seriously injure someone and it's best for them to have a healthy respect for us big naked monkeys. Too many people start out playing with a cute baby lamb and end up with a 200+ lb ram with problem behaviors they didn't curb from the start. It's easier to prevent those problems by having your ram lambs learn there is nothing exciting or fun about humans at all than to try to train out naughty behaviors in an overly enthusiastic ram with bad habits.

That being said I don't believe in never touching my rams or having them terrified of me. A terrified ram is just as dangerous as an overly friendly ram. I pet them (under the chin and when I decide to, no pushy rams get pet) and handle them fairly regularly. They just have learned I am in control by being halter trained, or, if they need a real come to Jesus moment, getting flipped until they chill out. When I walk into the ram pasture my boys don't even look up from grazing and that's how I like it.

I don't have sheep, but I do have goats and two bucks. If I could go back in time I would absolutely not socialize them as well as I did.

I agree that you don't want them fearful of you. But the line should end at "feed-giver" and not at "friend" with male animals (imo). There is nothing worse than a testosterone filled creature who thinks it's great fun to rub and climb and hit all over you. Both of my bucks are VERY friendly and as much as I love them, they will always be stinky aggressive animals when in rut. Mixed with an absolute love for their human (me) with no fear, makes for some very smelly, bruised days.

Conventional wisdom is that petting rams is a bad idea. This is sterling advice.

Some of us have pet adult rams. They do exist. They are born that way, with placid, friendly natures.

Many ( most) are not born that way, they are rams. Often more friendly and sociable as lambs than ewe lambs, ram lambs transmogrify into stinking heaps of aggression once testosterone takes its grip. I have one such lamb right now. A bottle lamb who was very bold and preferred human to sheep company, he has changed quite suddenly. His loving head rubs start that way and quickly transform into head butts, never hard to date, but head butts. I no longer allow him to head rub, don't turn my back on him, tap him on the nose if he starts to become too familiar, and have a date set for him to go to market.

The ram lamb who will become a pet ram? He accepts you as 'Boss' from the outset. NEVER shows you any attitude. NEVER treats you like another sheep.....if he does, then at some time he will try to challenge your 'Top Ram' position.I've found my Blue Faced Leicesters are much more likely to be that way, whereas the smaller breeds usually aren't.

Personally I'm very fond of these soft rams. They often pass on their personality to their offspring and you end up with an 'easy to manage' flock.

Rae D......try tapping him on his nose if he shows any inclination to head butt. Try physically throwing him over to show you are boss. BUT, if he fails to show due respect very quickly I would 'show him the door'

I carried a plastic grocery bag in my pocket. My ram hit me a few times, so I flapped the bag at him, ran at him waving the bag and yelling. He ran. I chased him, to let him know that I was top ram, NOT him.

So, please tell me this does this apply to wethers as I hope the testosterone should not be an issue for them. I am totally new to sheep and I've done all I can to befriend them and have been successful. Hoping I didn't do the wrong thing!

We have been told by many experienced sheep owners not to handle a ram too much.

We have only had our sheep for going on the second year now so I don't give advice but only say what I do. We have been told to not handle the males at all. I handle all of my sheep to the point that I can be at the opposite end of a pasture and they will come to me when called to see if I might have some goodies. Our ram was never a pet but he is confident enough to have no fear of humans. He loves animal crackers and gets handled enough that he will walk along with me but no sign of aggression. He is big enough to do some damage to me but I like the contact for things like this morning when I saw him limping. I can lean him into me and raise that leg up to check the hoof that he was favoring and found a thorn of some kind. I was able to get that out and spray it without having to move the sheep to a catch pen and get him into the head gate. He is 300 pounds and I prefer the easy way.

I have on wether that will come up for neck scratches and another that is just goofy but I've never seen any sign of aggression towards me.

I have two rams. The first I got at 2 months old and was very loving with him, as that was his nature. At about 6-8 months he started "protecting" his girls, which to him included my goats, cow, pig and chickens too. I stopped him initially with a bop on the head. After awhile it became news to me and my car bumper that a bop on the head was a challenge from another ram. What to do? Cull him? Finally my sheep shearer with a long history of experience mentioned he was not afraid of shearing my ram, because the "stop" was a hard slap across the cheek mid-ramming. True dat. That stops it. I just had my ram castrated at 2.5 years so he could return to hanging out with the herd full time. He's still loving to me, and I can be in return without fear of turning my back. In his place I ended up with an older, docile ram, new to the herd. Both my rams are polled. The picture is of my first ram having just had a molasses treat.

We had ram burgers a few nights ago. The girls are heavy bred and I'll be looking for another ram......