Miscarriage?

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I haven't been on here a while. I'm glad to be be back! Just wish it was for a better reason. I went outside maybe 2 hours ago. I heard my buck flirting with someone and went to see if anyone was in heat. I had seen my doe who was bred about 5 weeks ago lying on the ground. He was bothering her, so I moved him back to his pen. I assumed he was just doing what he has been doing to my other does. Flirting with them when they aren't trying to ram or run away from him. The doe stood up when I went back over there to close the gate. I pet her and she followed me around. I then walked around her and then had seen she had some blood tinged mucus on her leg. Not alot, but definitely more than I'm comfortable with.
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I put a cidr in her on September 4th, pulled it on September 11th she went into heat on the 13th. I bred her on the 14th and she had at least 6 successful breedings. She hasn't had any signs of heat since. And we are a couple of days away from being at week 5. I'm trying to be hopeful but it's looking like she is having a miscarrige. I'm watching her closely. She is showing no difference in behavior. Temp is normal. Eating, drinking fine. Trying to get others opinions. Hoping that it's something not life threatening to the kids but I'm not very hopeful. Any help I can get would be greatly appreciated!
 

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I think it is a wait and see.
You can draw blood and send it to bio-pryn for a few dollars. It has to be 30 days after breeding. You may want to wait a few weeks and do it just in case she is miscarrying and reabsorbing.
My opinion is get your buck out of there. Constant harassing from a buck can cause miscarriage and it is very stressful.

Curious though, why do you use cidr's?
 

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I think it is a wait and see.
You can draw blood and send it to bio-pryn for a few dollars. It has to be 30 days after breeding. You may want to wait a few weeks and do it just in case she is miscarrying and reabsorbing.
My opinion is get your buck out of there. Constant harassing from a buck can cause miscarriage and it is very stressful.

Curious though, why do you use cidr's?

I was planning to take blood in this week. I guess I'll wait until the end of the month/beginning of next month. We have a lab near us that tests, so I can bring it almost whenever. The buck normally is in his pen, but some fencing is loose and the gate is half broke so he doesn't stay in for long. I have the most annoying ND buck. He rams the does HARD if there is food, and he breaks down almost all my fencing. Luckily, he cant reach their stomach's but he always get their legs. He is tied up outside for the last 3 weeks. I'm still trying to figure out what to do with him. I'll definitely try and keep him(the nubian) in the pen from now though.

As to your question of why cidrs. I like to be there. I had a complication with one of my does (lost her and the kids) and I am terrified it will happen again. I didn't get back in time so vet couldn't do anything. So, Im trying cidrs. If all goes right, I can take 2 weeks off school, and work. They should hopefully all kid then, if not then the next couple weeks after.
 

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As to your question of why cidrs. I like to be there. I had a complication with one of my does (lost her and the kids) and I am terrified it will happen again. I didn't get back in time so vet couldn't do anything. So, Im trying cidrs. If all goes right, I can take 2 weeks off school, and work. They should hopefully all kid then, if not then the next couple weeks after.

Gotcha.
Ours tend to all cycle at once (at least in groups) so we breed them all at once so we are here. I get it. Many people that work outside the home do use them so they can take vacation and be there.
Sorry you lost your doe and kids. It is heartbreaking to lose a doe. Kids, I can deal with, but the dam... :hit

Strange about your ND buck. I'd get rid of him in a minute. :hide
We don't have any ND bucks that behave that way.
I do have a young 7 month old lamancha buck that is acting like a butthead - he is so hormonal and hasn't figured out that wooing is better then being aggressive toward the ladies! He is behind a good fence. :)
 

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Okay so here is an update on this girl. On Friday she wasn't doing too well. Grinding teeth, high temp, not eating or drinking. I had gone in with one finger earlier in the day (a knowledgeable goat person recommended I did that) I felt what felt like 2-3 smally bumps. Anyways, the vet got here. First thing he said when he looked at her was Infection. He gloved up and felt. He then smelled his hand. Again, he said smelled like infection. I asked if he felt the bumps and he said he felt something but it wasn't bumps. He then when in without a glove to "get a better feel". He said he felt what feels like, tearing, and scarred tissue in the vaginal walls. He said he didn't feel any bumps so I'm not sure what I was feeling. He then asked If she has had any difficult kiddings before. I did not know the answer. I only got her just over 4 months ago. She had 3 kids on her at the time (Big kids might I add) the kids were 14 weeks old when I bought her. She very well could have had a difficult kidding. She was pastured in a 50 acre lot with well over 100 other boers with her. The guy I got her from said he only checks on them once every couple of weeks, so he could have missed the kidding. I'll have to ask him about that later when I can find his number again. Anyways, he said she may or may not be aborting. It could just be her natural lubrication trying to push out infection. The infection could have come from dead kids, or the tear in her walls. He said there is almost no way to be sure. He said either way we need to start her on antibiotics, and to give her some nutridrench and electrolytes. He said the only way I can know if she aborted or not would be to either send blood in in a few weeks when her hormones die down, or I could get an ultrasound and know right away. They are coming out on the 27th to give her (and everyone else) an ultrasound. I would like to know if she is still carrying kids or not so I can talk with my vet about if i should retire her or not. Poor girl was in even worse condition on Saturday night. She wouldn't stand, she still hadn't eaten, or drank anything other then a couple of syringes full of electrolytes. Sunday morning was the same. She did drink which I was VERY happy to see! But about 6 hours ago she was eating!! She is acting like nothing is wrong. She is her normal alert self. She is very grumpy, but that's understandable. She has eaten grain and is eating hay like there is no tommorow. I went out about an hour ago and she is very chunky and chewing cud! I think we are gonna be okay (knock on wood)
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