Coffee anyone ?

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No worries, I wasn't even thinking that.:)

Oh okay good, thanks. I wasn't sure. Felt kinda bad aha

I have never had a 'purebred' dog and probably never will, but I have had some really wonderful dogs in my lifetime; each and every one.

I've thought about getting a purebred for my next dog and I do like the idea of having a well socialized dog from the beginning and knowing specific breed traits but not every dog is like that, even purebreds it's not a guarantee they'll have those traits, and they're so expensive. Plus all the mutts I know have been awesome. So idk. I think for a pet, mutts are probably like the best. Unless someone needs it for a very specific job like a service dog, police dog, herding dog, something like that, and needs the predictability and specific traits, which I don't.

Maaco got his new collar today. Nice, strong leather one with a nameplate.
He’s out of the kennel during the day already. He didn’t have an accident until... Duckling decided to not go to the bathroom. Suddenly, she was walking down the hall, peeing. :somad I honestly think that was the problem since he peed in the hall.
Ha ha! He was burying a bone in a chair, and now he’s sleeping there. He’s adjusting well to life inside. :lol:
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It’s time for some more coffee. :caf

Awww so cute

The Father of the pups looks to be a Blue Heeler, they are cattle dogs and very smart.

They're supposed to be great dogs

@greybeard I don't know a durn thing about framing out walls, jack studs or what ever all that carpentry jargon you used. I am no carpenter and don't know how to get from a pile of reject lumber to the finished product that I have a picture of in my head. But I damn sure don't let THAT stop me. It's a chicken coop, by the time I get finished, it will be fairly sturdy and it will house chickens.

I suck on cutting angles, have no idea how to cut them, so I just do it anyway. Somehow, I make it work. I collected lumber for the day I would be able to build the structures I wanted. Some came from roll off boxes from construction sites. Some was used lumber, some were long, some were short, most all of it was damaged in some way. I riffle through my pile (which is growing smaller all the time) and drag out something that I think might work. The roof rafter pieces came from 2x12s that had been used in concrete forms and they were 5' long. I had a neighbor with a table saw rip them for me and I made them work. The grommets came from dog eared cedar boards that is used on wood fences, they were damaged and on the reject rack. (I guess they are called grommets-those thingys I used to sandwich the lousy angles I cut and screwed them together)

When we had our barn built, we hired it done. When we had our 12'x54' screened front porch added on, we hired it done. I at least know when something is above my pay grade.

This is a chicken coop. The grand daughters had fun painting the boards. I enjoy taking a pile of scrap and crap and making it into some thing that I can use. The chickens will like it, the grand daughters will like it and that makes me happy.

I wish I was a better carpenter, but I'm not. I respect your vast knowledge and have learned much from your posts. I know you could do a much better job than I. You are welcome to come help, if you'd like. I'd even feed you lunch, I am a better cook than I am a carpenter. ;)

Our coop probably has a lot of errors too, especially framing the roof, but it works fine and doesn't leak lol and wow that's a big porch
 

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Structural carpentry (making it work safely, strongly, and for a long period of time) is a lot different than Aesthetic carpentry (making it look pretty)
Asthetic carpentry is all about fancy angles and dadoes and joinery--like one would see in furniture,doll houses and models.
Structural carpentry is much more about measuring and basic dimensions.
(I guess they are called grommets-those thingys I used to sandwich the lousy angles I cut and screwed them together)
The wooden joist-to-stud ties you used are called gussets. They help keep the roof from lifting off the walls.

As you didn't use a top plate, you need 3 collar ties installed before anyone else gets up on that roof. 1 on each end and one in the center. There is, as of the time you posted the pictures, nothing to prevent the weight of the roof+ weight of the man from pushing the walls outward off the plate above the jack studs. Even better, would be a center joist tie.
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Your area and mine, can see significant ice storms, on average once every 5-10 years. 1/2" of ice on a roof=2 1/2lbs added weight per sq foot. Length of roof X run from roof edge to peak in ft X2=sq footage of roof. If each side of the roof measures 5' X 8' that is 80 sq ft X 2.5lbs=200 additional lbs of roof load.
 

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A collar tie is that cross bar at the top? That makes sense and I shall install them. You posted this at 1:17 AM? Goodness, don't you ever sleep or did my sure-to-fail roof structure worry you so much that you awoke to make me that informational drawing? :lol: On the other coop similar to this one that I built, I put a collar tie on each end, but not in the middle.
 

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Coffee is on. @Baymule I am like you. But have a carpenter in DH... he's like GB....don't do anything unless it's 100% correct! I tell myself it's not a terrible way to be but can be wearing on a person. :hide
What I know comes from "helping" my Daddy and Grandpa when I was a kid. And a few things I absorbed along the way. My DH is not a carpenter and can be dangerous with tools. LOL He once walked in the house with the door knob in his hand.....don't ask me how he managed to twist it off. For three days we slept, went to work with a closed, but no door knob front door. I finally got off early enough that I got a new one and installed it. Together we muddle along and manage to get things done. Maybe not up to very high standards, but it works. LOL
 

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I've cobbled together some nifty things....none of which I have to live within. :lol: Mostly, if I need a larger build that will last, I get my DS to do. He's a framer & roofer, so it lasts! But -- if he doesn't get to it as soon as I want, it has become apparent that if I START...he will come & do :D =D

Seems to work well.... :hide

I've gotten him to frame it and then I can side it. That is a workable for us both -- his time & mine. I asked him to do a little shed and nothing yet, guess I need to start it and ask for a suggestion, which will lead to his help and doing. It is sometimes the only way to get him started on MY stuff.

Ahhh...cold outside (38 this AM) and coffee sure works! It will be time to leave for work soon...….loaded goats with hay in their barn because it's going to rain noonish until tomorrow morn. CRAP. Nor' Easter and I am not thrilled but it is coming without an invitation! Know they will starve before walking in the rain -- hay is there :love They can eat and chew cud in a dry barn. :clap
 

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I'll sit with @greybeard on this one. You DO need something from keeping the rafters from spreading like Bambi's legs on ice ;)

There is no top plate, not sure what that is going to do. Never have seen a roof structure that didn't have a top plate over the wall studs. Fortunately you don't get snow loads :) But for future builds, yes put a header over "missing studs" like window and door openings. And yes, anything supporting should go fully to the ground even if interrupted by a horizontal piece. Otherwise the roof weight will flex the horizontal piece where it is not supported. If you need an opening under the horizontal, put in a header that is supported by studs nailed to the next stud on either side.

All that said, I suspect your chicken coop will stand for some time .... if you put in those collar ties.
 

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A collar tie is that cross bar at the top? That makes sense and I shall install them. You posted this at 1:17 AM?
Yes the bar at the top. Any house or structure without joists above the studs will at least have collar ties if not ties and a joist tie to keep the walls from spreading and moving in the wind.
Bad picture because I had to shrink down a panoramic view (the ties aren't really curved) . These are the collar ties in my house with the cathedral ceilings.
They are covered over by asthetic pine but each is three nailed together 2x10s that are tied back thru the pine into rafters. The center 2x10 is shorter, to allow the 2 outside 2x10s to go around the sides of the rafters.
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They used a 2x8 for the center member of the ties where ceiling fans hang to use as a channel for wiring..a cableway to power and comm from one side of the house to the other and of course to power the suspended fans/lighting.
(yes I still have some interior Christmas lighting (and a Christmas tree) up. Too late to take them down now.)
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Yours won't need to be that strong at all. A single 2x4 nailed or screwed to the sides of 2 opposing rafters will suffice to connect (tie) them together. All gable roofed structures will have them unless they have steel and welded rafters and studs...and even lots of those do.
IF, I didn't have partition walls in the back of the house, I would have needed a post in the center of the house at midline to support the roof and it would have had to go all the way down to ground support.

My wife is a nite person and I frequently stay up late with her or spend a lot of time doing research and reading different topics. "What is that...how did it get there? How? What does it do..how does it work ...WHY does it work?"
I simply have to know. driven to know.
 
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