Coffee anyone ?

greybeard said:

I have already seen direct quotes of complete posts from this board with thread URLs included and usernames printed,in a commercially marketed book by a well known author that according to Amazon

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I didn't know about such book but after reading your post I think I found such book and found those references mentioned. Just curious, did you read it?

Yes, tho it has been a couple of years ago..I no longer have the book itself, as I gave it away as a "white elephant" Christmas gift one year ago. . It did very much surprise me to find the BYH references to those posts.

At least they are citing their sources? It is sort of scary that someone would pull forum posts for a book they are publishing. Talk about subjective vs objective information.

Bruce said:

At least they are citing their sources? It is sort of scary that someone would pull forum posts for a book they are publishing. Talk about subjective vs objective information.

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Yes, in the "notes" section..you can see them in the google books preview but cannot read the full comments the author wrote in the book text itself.






For me, it's no big thing. This is a public forum and every single word we type and submit is open to the worldwide public's absorption and full scrutiny.

I would have a tough time believing much of anything in a book that used public forums as references. Of course we all know that if we read something on the internet it MUST be true.

Bruce said:

I would have a tough time believing much of anything in a book that used public forums as references. Of course we all know that if we read something on the internet it MUST be true.

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That isn't all it used, by any means, but you don't understand. This book is wholly ABOUT US and what we say on the internet...the backyard farmer, herder, the backyard home butcher and home processor and the ways we justify how we do things in comparison to how they are done commercially. What other reference would you expect the author to use if not our own words?

The book merely used them to illustrate a specific mind set and I found it often very accurate and in line with what I've observed here at BYH myself dozens of times. Many of us do indeed, (at least in part) attempt to rationalize our meat eating, milk drinking, egg gathering by how we care for them on small farmsteads as opposed to how they are treated on "factory or industrial" farms.


The book goes on, to explain that the 'all natural, free range, GMO free, blah blah blah farmer" isn't doing the animals any really big favor in the end, and they are also not going to be stopping industrial farming, and anyone that believes this alternative style of management is more humane at the end is simply deluding themselves.
I don't agree that it makes one bit of difference...dead is still dead, and I'm always going to eat meat either way, but I do understand where the author is coming from. I can see the world thru eyes other than my own.

From day one here at BYH and elsewhere on the internet, I've never made any bones about my livestock---they are ALL going to end up on someone's fork or between a bun somewhere. They ALL have to produce....there are no mooing pets or non productive cattle here and never have been. I don't do the "Oh how cute" thing and there are no free rides here. A momma doesn't breed back or is unable to raise a calf?..., she is gone and I don't mean to someone's 'Rescue Ranch'. I DO take good care of my cattle, but I make no false representations...they're each and every one, destined to end up on a plate..the only question, is when.

And that, is the point of the book. No matter how well we treat animals, we are still raising them for someone to eat. I neither deny it, nor have a problem with that.
Name of the book is
The Modern Savage.
Our Unthinking Decision to Eat Animals.

Ok, which one of you provided the photo of your pig for the cover?

This modern savage has coffee ready. Y’all help yourself to some bacon, sausage, eggs, biscuits and homemade wild plum jelly.

Any other modern savages got any milk, cream for my coffee and goat cheese they’d like to contribute to breakfast?

greybeard said:

Ok, which one of you provided the photo of your pig for the cover?

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I think that's @Baymule 's Wilbur!

Baymule said:

This modern savage has coffee ready. Y’all help yourself to some bacon, sausage, eggs, biscuits and homemade wild plum jelly.

Any other modern savages got any milk, cream for my coffee and goat cheese they’d like to contribute to breakfast?

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Thanks for coffee and bacon and sausage and eggs and biscuits and wild plum jelly! Sorry I don't have any all natural, free range, GMO free milk or creamer to offer.

greybeard said:

No matter how well we treat animals, we are still raising them for someone to eat. I neither deny it, nor have a problem with that.

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I don't have a problem with that either. If we want to raise our own animals for eating and if that makes us "feel good" about giving our animals a better humane life then so be it.

RollingAcres said:

Sorry I don't have any all natural, free range, GMO free milk or creamer to offer.

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Gluten free? (eating that kind of stuff is about as filling and satisfying as this make-believe food.)