Need counsel..hard kidding

AmberRaif

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Hey, I need some counsel. A young doe of ours just kidded (first freshening) this morning. This is also my first time assisting a goat birth. She had one doeling, that was breech presentation, both back hooves presented first. There was no further progress for an hour, and contractions slowed, and almost seemed to stop. I went ahead and pulled..baby was big and tight, with head and both front hooves still stuck in birthing canal/(pelvis?) Body was born, cord broke, head was stuck...due to the emergency of the moment I went in for the baby, had to move one hoof at a time out, and finally had to work hard to remove head. It took some upside down swinging and such to clear lungs, and at first we were afraid we had lost her, but she started breathing and coughing and seems very healthy now. Both mom and baby doing great. Question: Does mom absolutely need antibiotics because I had to go in so deep? I did not have gloves and had scrubbed up about and hour and half before...but not right before. I don't have access to a livestock vet until Monday, and even then it's iffy. Is there something I can buy from the farm supply store? Or a natural option like calloidal silver? Help please! Mama goat is doing great...but I don't want her to get an infection.Obviously.:)
 

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I realize that the delivery wasn’t ideal. We don’t treat difficult deliveries until a sign of infection is noted. This is per our vet also. Make sure the dam continues eating and drinking. Also make sure that she doesn’t develop a fever.

This goes for the kid too. Breech deliveries are higher risk for pneumonia because of not clearing fluid as well. Her breathing may become rapid and sound rattly if there is an issue also.

Great job on getting her out! Their resilience amazes me and I suspect both will be fine without issue.
 

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It's going to vary breeder to breeder. I'd certainly watch her close and take her temp twice a day for 3-4 days if you aren't giving abx. If you decide to you can use Biomyacin/LA200 for 4 days. I've only done prescription abx from the vet when that didn't cut it.

I had to go in a totally rearrange two triplets in a doe and chose not to give abx. I was gloved and clean but not sterile. She passed placenta and fluid will after and I monitored her and she had no problems. Another birth the doe kidded easily and unassisted. Passed placenta. Developed a fever 2 days later and I ended up going to the vet for flush and heavy duty antibiotics after LA200 and Banamine didn't reduce the 106' fever. We assume she retained a small piece of tissue- and she was on the mend 12 hours after treatment.
 

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I have been in way too many goats and never wear gloves as they are too slippery. I have never had a doe get an infection. I just watch them and do the smell test. :sick And if they act the least bit off I will take their temp...checking for high temp or low temp as both can be a warning.
 

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No, you don't need an antibiotic. Just an FYI, breech in the manner you described (back legs coming out first) is actually considered normal presentation, so no worries. A true breech is where it is but first, no legs... always a troublesome birth. Better to rub then swing. Suction, rub suction. Tickling their nose with some straw/hay can help them, makes them sneeze which helps clear the lungs.
The only time I have really seen an infection is when there was a tear.
For future keep lube on hand and use it like crazy! If this happens again don't worry about trying to get each leg out, just pull WITH the contraction/push that the doe has. I've done some hard pulls, once my daughter actually herd the "pop" sound and thought I'd pulled the legs right off. Nope just a hard pull.
Keep an eye on temp- going high there is a concern, going low under 101 is also a concern, just not an infection but what is called milk fever.
 
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