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  1. Oakroot

    Making your own hay for livestock

    I cut with a scythe and let dry until the grass is crisp but before it sun bleaches. Then I cram as much as possible into a big Rubbermaid type tote smashing it down with my feet as I go. I lay out two lengths of baling twine parallel and then turn out the hay onto the twine. Then using a knee I...
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    Kidding in the heat Q's(title change was 'keeping preggo goat cool..')

    When it is real hot here everyone gets a good soaking with the hose. (held so they don't run around and get hotter) Mine are used to it and it does not seem to bother them. They give me death glares the whole time but cool down really well that way.
  3. Oakroot

    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    It was a loooong night (to tired to post everything yet) but look what we have to share! ETA: Two boys
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    Still improving everyday. If I am with her she will spend a long time grazing in the pasture. Not interested in much other food but hey I will take it. Still no signs of any toxemia (no fever, swelling or overt distress). She will hit 145 days tomorrow and while she is starting to bag up she is...
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    Big improvement this afternoon! Ketone strip was extremely slight. Still no signs of any fever. She really wanted to be out in the pasture with the other goats so I let her out (with me right there) she was much improved by that. Tail is up, looking a lot more brite eyed. She is moving around...
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    Thanks Donna, I can work on getting some more calcium in her as well.
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    She is getting both. She gets magic/miracle drench every 2 hours and every 6 she gets a half dose of goat drench which is propylene glycol first ingredient along with B12, A, calcium and other vitamins. At this point the doe is still not showing any signs of toxemia just ketosis so no point in...
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    We ARE going with what the vet suggested.
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    She is already on propylene glycol several times a day. Predef is an adrenal steroid that returns blood sugars to normal levels and stabilizes them. It also increases appetite and is anti inflammatory and prevents them from going into shock. It drastically increases the success rate of treat...
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    Predef is not induction just much increased chance of early labor. So there is a chance she could still go full term. Not great but a chance. To much more of this and she won't have enough in her to go through labor. It sucks but I think it is probably the right call at this point.
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    So this is day three of heavy care and day 5 or 6 of her being sick and while I keep seeing promising signs she really is not progressing. For every good moment she has just as many bad. I am pretty sure I am going to start her on Predef in the next 24 hours. She is a really good doe and...
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    So she is not progressing as fast as I want but I don't know how fast I should expect progress. (I have seen other posts where it took people several days to get blood sugar really back up to normal) I was able to get ketosis strips and test her. Slight to small amounts of ketones detected. Temp...
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    She is at 10 days now, but to be honest I am not holding out much hope for the kids right now. I have strong doubts they will make it. But she had even more fight in her at 3 am and again at 7 am. She also had a very small amount of white mucus discharge from her vulva this morning. No sign of...
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    Thanks Donna. So what do you guys think. She made a small bit of progress to day. Not nearly as much as I would have liked though. I just got back in from giving her nutrient drench and miracle and a bit of probiotic. She had more fight in her then I have seen the past two days, and I HAVE...
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    Seeing slow but steady improvement every time I go out. (She never spiked any sort of temp for anyone wondering) She is starting to pick at hay, she is much more bright eyed and alert when you come into the barn and even called to me this time. She is worried about where her heard mates are again.
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    Donna you are doing nothing but try and be helpful. So please do not feel like I am upset with you in any way about your post. It helped me narrow down some things but I do have to post a bit of a rant about verbiage. My vet did even worse to me and I see lots of people do it. So it's not you. I...
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    I have not seen them there. So I figured out the problem. She was just sick of big syringes and thick paste. I switched from syrup mix to dextrose with water and used a tiny 3ml syringe. Over the span of an hour and a half I was able to get 120ml in her with out any of the violent reaction. I...
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    So the doe is now worse this morning. She is on her feet and moving ok but when I first came in she coughed for a bit. This has stopped now. She keeps grinding her teeth (once a minute or so not constant). She also is stretching her neck just a little bit and moving her jaw sideways (like...
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    Updated: Ketonic doe had 2 full term bucklings

    THANK YOU! I have not given this yet and am very glad I did not. This was not made clear to me at all. In the vet's defense I think there was miscommunication. I think he may have thought the doe was in a bad way which I am sure many are when people call him. You could also tell it was one of...
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