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Chasing sheep off is ok behavior since the sheep are not flock members.
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You're going to have to explain that, because it makes zero sense to me.
A bunch of sheep is a flock.
They're all her sheep. Even though she currently only lives with two.
Chasing them is never okay. Especially since she's just being hyper and stupid, no purpose to it. Purpose would be rounding sheep up to get them away from predators, but that's 100% not what she has done.


I don't like strangers. I don't want any uninvited/unscheduled people showing up.
It's so hard to talk about people-weary LGDs in the groups because everyone goes stupid between the ears & only hears "vicious, people killer, other crazed thought, blah" whatever else random nonsense they make up. 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️
I'm getting as far away from GPs as I can. They love strangers, strangers love big, fluffy dogs. It's a loose, loose.
She's already not thrilled about my husband & stays away, just hope she learns to bark at strangers in the future instead of moving away.

Not going to respond to the rest, as I'm in a witchy mood.



Anywho
The next biggest hurdle will be shearing day in early February. Might be late January, no scheduled day yet. Shearer told me to contact her in December to schedule. A stranger, naked sheep, smell & noise of clippers, a big day!

After that, lambing will be another hurdle. She won't be in with the ewes who are due any day, actively lambing nor young lambs. I'll let her meet them, depending on her behavior, I may move her back out after greeting the newborns or let her stay to watch them for a bit.

She'll continue to live with the rams full time until autumn 2021, when they get split up for breeding again. I guess by then, it'd be best to let her have access to all the groups, but keep her away from the ewe lambs out on the 20 acres. Hopefully, by autumn 2022, she can randomly go out on the 20acres with the lambs & other dog.

Last hurdle will be living with the ewes who will lamb & that whole process. I think I need to prevent her from licking them. But sometimes, they don't break the sac & can/do die...ugh, idk. Maybe just try to limit how much licking to just the face & back off once the ewe approaches. 🤔
 

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You're going to have to explain that, because it makes zero sense to me.
A bunch of sheep is a flock.
They're all her sheep. Even though she currently only lives with two.
Chasing them is never okay. Especially since she's just being hyper and stupid, no purpose to it. Purpose would be rounding sheep up to get them away from predators, but that's 100% not what she has done.

Sorry! I meant to type in DEER!

Chasing off deer is ok!
Chasing sheep is never ok.
 

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Anatolians are very different in their approach to newborns. Our Pyrs stayed close to the lambing area until the scent wore off then resumed their duties. They liked the newborns, lambs, and kids, but in a different manner than our Anatolians. Our Anatolians are fascinated by newborns and are super protective of the ewe and her babies.

There are some excellent articles on the lucky Hit Ranch website about introducing young Anatolians to lambing ewes, the proper behavior expected of them, and training them to the task. Look for Lucky Hit Ranch, Erick Conard, and on his site will be a bunch of articles written over the past 30 years about Anatolian behavior and training of all kinds. He has spent the past 35 years studying the behavior of this breed, its way of guarding, the way in which it interacts with the flock, etc. Erick has been my prop during my introduction to Anatolians, their behavior and training. Without his guidance and reinforcement I might have given up, particularly on Bubba who is a very dominant male and very difficult to train. With Bubba you have to be the Alpha at all times, and not only to him. You have to intrinsically believe yourself to be the Alpha of the pack as well. Any weakness or doubt will affect your position in the pack hierarchyc reducing you from pack Alpha to a weaker member needing protection. Once this happens you will have to fight your way back to the top.

Although Welna is a puppy now, it is not too early to introduce her to new mothers and lambing ewes this season. Put her on a leash and bring her into the lambing area. Some Anatolians are so protective of newborn lambs they will try to steal the lamb. Any protective behavior by the ewe is seen as aggression to the lamb and can cause the Anatolian to bite the ewe as she tries to drive the dog away. By training Welna now as a puppy in the proper Anatolian behavior you will not have to try to train a 110 lb. 18 month old bitch next year. Holding back a 100 lb. plus dog that is straining to get to the newborn lamb he thinks is his personal property is exhausting! :th And further complicated by the ewe who butts at him to protect her newborn. Much easier to control a 6 month old 60-70 lb. puppy! LOL

Proper Anatolian behavior to a newborn and ewe is to lay down at a distance of 6-10 feet from the lamb and new mother. New mothers, particularly first fresheners, often are aggressive to the dog, The Anatolian needs to learn to retreat to the distance the ewe deems proper, then wait there until she is allowed to come to the ewe and newborn. By keeping the puppy on a leash you can encourage her to keep her distance, praising her excessively when she keeps her distance on a loose lead.

Experienced mothers with their Anatolian guardians (who behave properly) will not behave aggressively to the dog. Experienced Anatolians will keep the proper distance until allowed closer by the mother. Cleaning off the lamb by the Anatolian is ok since it strengthens the bond between lamb and dog. However, interference by the dog between mother and lamb is not ok. Some dogs have this instinctively. Others must be taught. Still others, like Bubba, must be taught and taught and taught, and reinforced relentlessly! :he

Two of our Anatolians are good with new mothers. Rika is excellent. She automatically keeps the proper distance until allowed closer by the ewe. Angel is getting there. She is excited by the newborns, but does not approach the ewes until allowed. Bubba though! It has taken several years to get Bubba to behave properly around newborns. He wants them for himself and has been very aggressive toward protective ewes. Part of this problem is that when we got him, lambing season was over and no new lambs arrived for quite a while, He did not have the opportunity to be trained while young. I had to call Erick many, many times for help and guidance in training him. The more people and noise in the barn with newborns seemed to excite him as well, making it hard to control his uber-protectiveness. It finally took Rika getting fed up with his frantic behavior, beating him up, driving him out of the barn and keeping him out. She taught us to restrict his access to the barn and to concentrate on his behavior training. He is still super protective to newborns and super excited about them but we have worked through it and he is better now. Erick says that can be a problem with male Anatolians much more than females. For some reason male Anatolians looove newborn lambs and can be more protective of them than females.

Bubba gets shut up when we have to move a ewe and newborns from the field into the barn since he still gets overly excited. He sometimes tries to bite at the lamb we are carrying into the barn as we try to move the newborns and ewe across the field into the barn jug. I am not sure if he thinks he needs to return the lamb to the ewe, or just wants to steal it from us, but it is easier to pen him during this chore.

Bubba also gets penned up when we separate and move sheep around since he really does not want the flock separated. He tries to keep them in one spot! Very hard to separate and drive sheep with a giant Anatolian herding them back together!!! Rika doesn't do this although she is anxious about the procedure. Angel just thinks it is playtime and between her and Bubba, pandemonium reigns at Ridgetop.

Bubba is not as perfect as Rika but he has his uses and is a terrific all around farm guard. They all have their personalities and uses. Our next Anatolian will be a bitch though. They are easier to work with although female Anatolians are very dominant as well.

Luckily lambing season will occur while Welna is still a puppy which will make your training so much easier.
 

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She's gotten much more comfortable with the rams. Saw her laying still while a ram was an inch from her tail, whereas just yesterday, she wouldn't of been okay with that. :)
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Lol, she touched some pokeweed & is now a purple doggie! Guess she's ready for Halloween.
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And some sniffing with my older dog. He still isn't thrilled with her, lol.
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This is kind of late, but I'm a bit curious if you got her to stop trying to leave the fenced areas?

Is she leaving because of being lonely or just exceptionally curious.

And that one picture looks like she's saying, "haha I'm guilty, but try to catch me at it.."
 

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This is kind of late, but I'm a bit curious if you got her to stop trying to leave the fenced areas?

Is she leaving because of being lonely or just exceptionally curious.

And that one picture looks like she's saying, "haha I'm guilty, but try to catch me at it.."
That stopped within the first week.
She wanted to be with me and not left alone in a scary new place.

She now runs to greet me, but stops halfway and waits until I go through the gate and walk towards her. She also stops about 20ft from the gate when I'm leaving. And she won't go through the gate if the ram doesn't go through or I beg for her to come out.

Took 2 more weeks before she stopped whining when I was in the arena and ignoring her. Now she watches calmly or goes back to w/e she does all day.

She did chase the ram lamb one night. I happened to see it and ran out, literally dragged her out and locked the lamb's pen. Next day, I switched pens for the lamb and a breeding group.
The second post on this page shows videos of her and the group I swapped with the lamb. She doesn't have free access to them yet, but she can get into the lamb's pen, since his gate is shorter.



Unrelated...
I'm swapping my statement that I don't mind her eating sheep food. Some days, she eats a lot of it, other days, just a little. Ugh. 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️ No way to feed the ram and not her, since he eats when he wants and will not eat on a schedule. 🙄
 

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Wow...

I didn't know sheep dogs ate sheep food. LOL>.. get it, sheep dog? Sheep food for sheep dogs.

4th graders would laugh at a pun like this.
 
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