@babsbag I think in my heart I knew but I just tried to hold out hope because miracles do happen, but at least now he's not in pain. After we did that things got kinda crazy around here. I had family show up for the fourth then my niece popped in for a week, now my sister is in town for a few days, and I have a cow that has something on her leg, we've been tending to her trying to get that fixed. It's been a busy summer. How's everyone else's summer going so far?