Chewy

[bethh]

Chewy went for his vet visit yesterday and now weighs 31.8lbs, up almost 10lbs from 3 weeks ago. I got upsetting news though. At his first visit, he was diagnosed with a grade 3 heart murmur. The vet said lets not worry about it and I'll re-evaluate it at his next visit in 3 weeks. Well, its changed, not for the better. She said that he needs to see a cardiologist. I'm trying to be positive but I usually see the glass as half full. My DH said at least he came to our house because we will give him lots of love. I'm waiting on the referral to come through so we can take him and at least see what is going on and what he needs.

I do have a question though about Pyr puppy behavior. We've had many puppies over the years and when they are his age (almost 3months). They are wild and crazy, running around like maniacs. Thats not him. He will play some but not the crazy puppy. Are most Pyr puppies more laid back? I'm trying to see if his behavior is the norm or is it because he has a heart condition.

One more question, if any of you breed and sell LGD puppies, would you allow a potential buyer to take a puppy to their vet for a health check to rule out something like a heart murmur and take it back if it were to have a serious condition? I'm just thinking if Chewy's prognosis isn't good and we have to find Gracie another partner so we don't have this happen again.

 

[Southern by choice]

I will answer this later today- It will take longer than a few minutes and I don't have much time right now.

 

[Latestarter]

IMHO an honest and above board breeder would have in the contract a requirement that you have the puppy checked over by your vet within a reasonable amount of time, and if something is found to be bad, they will purchase the puppy back. Obviously they would not be required to purchase back if the issue was you, the buyers fault for whatever reason. A heart condition is nothing that you could be held responsible for over the very short time frame you've had the pup. I'm not a breeder, SBC is, and she has said she will answer later, as she's able. I hope it's nothing serious and that the pup can "outgrow" the issue.

 

[SonRise Acres]

The breeders we have bought from actually had a clause in our contract. We were not required to take the dogs to a vet, but if we did within the specified time frame, and an issue was found, a full refund or another dog (if available) was given. I wouldn’t buy from a breeder that didn’t have that clause. They could be selling me a very sick animal.

 

[bethh]

I will answer this later today- It will take longer than a few minutes and I don't have much time right now.

Thank you. I look forward to hearing back from you.

 

[Wehner Homestead]

Wow! I can’t imagine getting that news. I want to respond but I’ll let SBC answer first as she’s more knowledgeable than I.

 

[bethh]

Wow! I can’t imagine getting that news. I want to respond but I’ll let SBC answer first as she’s more knowledgeable than I.

Thanks

 

[Southern by choice]

The vet said lets not worry about it and I'll re-evaluate it at his next visit in 3 weeks.

That was a good call because puppies can often have murmurs and they outgrow them. It is generally with larger breeds that grow quickly but is not limited to large dogs. Most pups will outgrow this by 5 months.

She said that he needs to see a cardiologist. I'm trying to be positive but I usually see the glass as half full

How old is the pup? Depending on age I would not rush to see a cardiologist just yet. Again- depends on age.

We've had many puppies over the years and when they are his age (almost 3months). They are wild and crazy, running around like maniacs. Thats not him. He will play some but not the crazy puppy. Are most Pyr puppies more laid back? I'm trying to see if his behavior is the norm or is it because he has a heart condition.

LGD breeds typically are not wild in behavior. They generally have there times of play and rambunctiousness but are generally "laying around".
A dog that is wild, crazy, bouncing off the walls would be looked at as not a good LGD candidate IMO.

One more question, if any of you breed and sell LGD puppies, would you allow a potential buyer to take a puppy to their vet for a health check to rule out something like a heart murmur and take it back if it were to have a serious condition?

I do put in my contracts that we require a vet check- we do give a time frame for that. It is generally a short time frame. There is reason for that. Pups travelling long distances although may have been vet checked and cleared can still have a bloom. This way they choose THEIR vet. Working in the vet field you would be shocked at how many people believe that somehow breeders and vets are in cahoots together and will lie and all kids of crazy crap. That the vet is going to lie about the health and so most people DON'T trust the vet the breeder used.

The breeder should have the entire litter health checked before sale. Appropriate vaccinations should be given as well as dewormings by the breeder before the sale of the animal.

 

[bethh]

How old is the pup? Depending on age I would not rush to see a cardiologist just yet. Again- depends on age.

Chewy is 2months 3 weeks. She said normally she'd advise waiting awhile but didn't like the way it had changed. She also had the other 2 vets listen to it. If dog specialist are like people specialist, it will take awhile to get an appointment.

Southern, maybe next time we will have to take a trip to NC.

I'm trying to be optimistic.

Thanks for getting back to me.

LGD breeds typically are not wild in behavior. They generally have there times of play and rambunctiousness but are generally "laying around".
A dog that is wild, crazy, bouncing off the walls would be looked at as not a good LGD candidate IMO.

Thats what I thought, but I was doubting my knowledge.

 

[Baymule]

I hope this is something that your pup can outgrow.