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De-Horned 2yr old Doe-WEEK 3 update

Discussion in 'Everything Else Goats' started by Southern by choice, Feb 27, 2014.

  1. Feb 27, 2014
    Southern by choice

    Southern by choice Herd Master Golden Herd Member

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    Some of you may be familiar with the thread ...
    http://www.backyardherds.com/thread...d-and-other-such-questions.27769/#post-351216

    Well the decision was finally made and Millie has sealed the deal. The appointment was made today. We love our horned goats as much as our polled and disbudded goats but Millie has really posed a problem with hers.

    Millie is a very sweet goat BUT she is not nice to the other goats and the LGD's. Some goats are her buddies and she is super gentle but other goats well... she is a real bully. She KNOWS how to use her horns and the other goats are getting more and more afraid of her. They see her coming and they run out of the loafing shed or away from the hay feeder if they see her coming. The LGD's are always watchful as she will just hit them with no reason. She does this if something is simply standing there and she doesn't want them standing there... chicken, geese, goats, kids(goat), dogs, pups.

    This weekend we were milling about with the girls and we noticed Millie's horns. She has been sharpening them on the side of the cinder block wall.:ep I know this sounds strange but I believe she is doing this on purpose and she is very calculating. Her temperament with people and with goats she likes is wonderful. The stock she came from... all big babies! Millie ended up not getting disbudded by the breeder because he had surgery right as she was kidded... only goats he'd not disbudded. We didn't care because we like horns.

    Here are some pics of her sharpened spears... and the angle I was trying to get I was not able as she wasn't liking her head being restrained. They are like daggers. At this point she could kill another goat and I have kids hitting the ground in April and if she get one of the LGD's well then she would have to die, she is not worth losing great stock and great dogs. It is risky for us humans too because all it could take is a quick jerk of the head. I am sad about this but I know I am doing the right thing. She will be brought down a peg or two I know and she needs to be. For her it is all about her horns.

    I will be assisting in the surgery and as strange as it sounds I feel like it will help me also to process the affects. It's something I have always done... if surgery is needed or any procedure I do best assisting- it's a mental thing. I am hoping to journal the process. I won't be able to get pics during the procedure obviously, but hope to show the open wound and the healing process.

    You can see how she has filed them...
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    Not a great pic but you can see how she is making them as pointy as can be
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    The left side is a dagger
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    You can kinda see it here- notice only her daughter is eating hay with her- no one will go near her. HEr daughter is a sweetie pie- she was the first goat we had BORN on our farm that we had di-budded. I am sooooooo glad we did.
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  2. Feb 27, 2014
    Pioneer Chicken

    Pioneer Chicken True BYH Addict

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    Wow, yeah, those horns do have to go if she's being that way. : / I hope all goes well!!

    I have a lamancha doe that was not disbudded by her previous owners. I was going to hold off with banding her horns till a week plus after I got her (she was 6weeks old then), but she was being nasty to my nigerian dwarf kids. She would put her horns under their belly and go up. :rant:he She is a real sweetheart with us, but, my, when she's with my kids, it was grrr. I banded her twice last year, but they keep coming back (they are very dull/flat, so I don't think they can hurt anything). She is still being a little stinker with my wether. I see fur on her horns almost every day. I'm about ready to tell her goodbye. :/

    Anyway, didn't mean to vent like that:hide. I'll be following this thread for sure. :)
     
  3. Feb 27, 2014
    bonbean01

    bonbean01 Herd Master

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    Agree with your decision Southern...and sharpening them??? Wowzers...they have to go!
     
  4. Feb 27, 2014
    woodsie

    woodsie Loving the herd life

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    yikes! Sharpening horns…never would have thought they would figure out how to do that :ep…I was thinking of venturing into the lamanchas but after hearing this I may just have to stick with my beautiful but dim-witted Nubians. Sometimes clever is not such a great quality.

    I hope everything goes well for you and her..imo she's lucky she's not on the menu.:plbb
     
  5. Feb 27, 2014
    Southern by choice

    Southern by choice Herd Master Golden Herd Member

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    Lamanchas are truly the sweetest goats ever. They are also highly intelligent. I am being very honest though when I say NO HORNS on a Lamancha. I like horns... all our kikos have big spiraling horns, 1/3 of our Nigies have horns... no issues. Millie's baby "Trouble" is the biggest baby in the world! A true cuddly lovebucket but not obnoxious and our new lamancha buckling... well he is a hoot. Smart as can be too.
    If Millie was "EVIL" to people she would have been in the freezer by now. I will not tolerate that. So I feel like this is our only option and completely worth doing to save a really great producer and a sweetheart of a goat.

    Funny how gentle she is with our listeria survivor goat... Coco has permanent damage from the listeria, and she is infertile- but she is our pet- Millie LOVES her and is so gentle and plays super gentle with her.... so she knows what she's doing. Jerk. :rolleyes:

    Millie is one of our favorites here, she is a very endearing goat- she kinda thinks she should be an only child and spoiled I guess.
    I have never been around a mean lamancha... never even heard of one.I will say they are the quietest goats. I love QUIET goats! :D

    I am a little stressed over this and I don't usually get that way. Kinda nervous... I love this goat and don't want to lose her. :hitTrying to get this done while still cold and no fly strike issues.
    She will be separated from the crew- good thing about Millie is she doesn't care... I might put her daughter with her for company as long as she doesn't mess with the bandages.
     
  6. Feb 27, 2014
    babsbag

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    LaManchas can be smart and calculating, as are Alpines, and I have both...good things no horns on them. The Boers have their horns and they never seem to use them as weapons so I don't mind.

    I am amazed that she has gotten them so sharp, what a little stinker. I hope the surgery goes well and that it is healed before fly season.
     
  7. Feb 27, 2014
    babsbag

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    When is the surgery?
     
  8. Feb 27, 2014
    Southern by choice

    Southern by choice Herd Master Golden Herd Member

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  9. Feb 28, 2014
    Mike CHS

    Mike CHS Herd Master Golden Herd Member

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    I would think it's just a matter of time till she does some serious damage. My Macaw sharpens his beak and they all do that in the wild. I also had a steer that would do that so I guess it can be common. This is going to be an interesting journal.
     
  10. Feb 28, 2014
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    2luv2farm Overrun with beasties

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    Those suckers look dangerous! Glad you made the decision to have them removed (I know it wasn't an easy one). Hope all goes well. Call me after! :hugs