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Fall breeding plans- Focus on Minis

Discussion in 'Breeds & Breeding - Goats' started by Southern by choice, Jun 13, 2017.

  1. Oct 2, 2017
    babsbag

    babsbag Herd Master

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    I am beginning to think I'll just skip breeding this year...to much work...:lol:
     
  2. Oct 3, 2017
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    I bet the goats don't think so... could be wrong :hu:)
     
  3. Oct 3, 2017
    babsbag

    babsbag Herd Master

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    Yeah, they are all for romping with the boys. Back in the day when I had one buck it was easy. Put the doe in, write down the date, remove the doe. DONE. I wonder if most dairies care who breeds who, just get 'er done... If I had the buck pens built it would be different, but 5 bucks in one pen, two in another, and one recovering from a broken leg makes for a complicated breeding situation.
     
  4. Oct 8, 2017
    Southern by choice

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    WARNING! LONG POST!
    We have focused on the Lamanchas and Dwarfs for 2 years and put the minis on hold so we have decided to focus our efforts a bit more on the minis this year.
    Most of our Lamanchas this year will kid standards and we are not going to retain much. So the minis will be priority for development.

    We have decided to do some line breeding but also to develop a whole different line. We are having a hard time finding what we want as far as bucks. Far too many focus on ears and not the parts that make the milk. ;)
    That development of mini udders takes time... the dwarf side tends to make teats to the outside and lower udder placement. It takes time to get teats centered and the fore udders are difficult as well. Feet and legs are very important to us.

    So....
    Bingo was bred to Henry-
    Bingo is F-1 50 /50 elf eared (Doe) she kidded on her 1st birthday! So she is doing great for a year old FF! We can't wait to see her 2nd freshening- she is due on her 2nd birthday! LOL
    Henry F-1 50/50 (mature buck) very short elf eared- Id this were ADGA they would qualify as gopher but MDGA they are elf
    Henry in the breeding pen... sorry but he is a buck in rut
    Bingo- She is never on a lead or set up so she was NOT cooperative at all for these pics lol She was already milked out.
    Bingo- .JPG Henry .JPG

    Bingos udder
    Wings & Caprines Mini e-1 50-50 Bingo ismynameO ff - Copy.JPG Wings & Caprines Mini f-1 50-50 Bingo ismynameO ff udder (3) - Copy.JPG

    This will give us F-2 Generation 50/50 percentage
    Ear probability: 25% Gopher 50% Elf 25% Upright
    This year Bingo had trips- she had 2 with upright and 1 gopher LOL another doe (Trouble) had trips too- 1 of each type ear... so you never really know. :rolleyes:

    Trouble will not be bred this year- She will just stay in milk so no need to breed her again.
    Her kids will be bred late in the season though.
    We kept both doelings- one is "eared" one is elf (really cute as one ear flips up and one down) Because Trouble's mom is NOA Trouble is 1st gen "Grade" so her does are Grade as well- I don't care- she is a milk machine and her kids will be too.
    We will probably breed the doelings to Monopoly- which is Bingo's Buckling from this year he is gopher eared and we like Bingo's udder. She has better teat placement than Trouble although Trouble has a really nice udder.
    These are the two doelings- I still don't have names for them yet. :\
    Again- never been on lead so they were terrible we ended up just getting what we could as far as pics.
    Trouble kid  (1).JPG Trouble kid  (2).JPG

    Trouble Kid Eared (1).JPG Trouble Kid Eared (2).JPG

    Monopoly Buck- Sorry he is so very much in rut and so gross right now when we took him out he just peed and sprayed and hunched we couldn't get any good pics so here he is as a baby.:D
    Wings & Caprines F-2 50-50 Experimental Mini Mancha Buck Gopher ears - Copy.JPG Monopoly.JPG

    To be continued.... only allows 10 pics in a post
     
  5. Oct 8, 2017
    Southern by choice

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    Page 2...
    Here is where it gets tough-
    Pearl is on the small side- We can't breed her for standards this year (she won't be bred til November anyway at around 70 lbs) I am not waiting til 2019 for kids so she either gets sold which I don't want to do or she gets bred for minis. Her sister Prynne is substantially larger and will get bred for standards- that is the plan anyway.
    So- Pearl is very correct but we would like to see more width, but we also want to keep perfect teat placement.
    Pearl- not cooperating :rolleyes:
    113 - Copy.JPG
    The two Nigi bucks both bring something to the table-
    We have more history on Lil Joe because he has produced 11 kids- 7 of those have been does... we know he brings excellent width, wide rumps, wide escutcheon, and length as well as correct legs... 2 of his does have freshened... problem is those does are out of does that came from Ruth- she reproduces herself and has great teat placement. Lil Joe doesn't mess up teat placement but it isn't perfect.
    Pearl IMO could use that width Lil Joe brings.

    Lil Joe- old pic at 18 months
    Wingin' it Farms Gentle Thoughts Lil' Joe 18 months Registered Nigerian Dwarf (4).JPG

    Isaac we think will bring better teat placement based on the two does we have from him- but haven't freshened yet. The teat placement looks really good though on the doelings.;)

    Isaac- old pic at 1 year
    One Fine Acre FR Isaac  - Copy.JPG
    Whereas Charlotte has excellent width and Isaac if we breed him to her for minis I think will have beautiful teat placement. But we may breed Monopoly to Charlotte for 75/25 Minis (all will be gopher eared) I will retain 1 buck, 1 doe. With Pearl all kids should have elf ears and I will keep 1 buck, 1 doe. Charlotte is slotted for the mini program- she is a standard- 18 months old.
    There will be some line breeding with next generation but I'm ok with that. I want several mini lines- I want to breed from within the herd.
    I hate this pic of Charlotte but couldn't find a current one. This pic was taken for us and I don't know what happened with the color. She doesn't look like this. :hu
    SSRA show June 10-2017 (8) - Copy.jpg

    There is also Lil Princess- she came from a doe we sold, picked the buck, and got her! :)
    The younger does will be waiting til Nov/Dec. Charlotte after the fair.
    Sorry best pic I could get
    Have no idea who to breed her to. She is F-2 mini with elf ears. If I use Monopoly she will be line bred. Her dam's brother (trips) is Monopoly's sire.
    009 - Copy - Copy.JPG Lil Princess.JPG

    Decisions decisions....
     
  6. Oct 9, 2017
    Hens and Roos

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    so what weight and/or age do you look for when breeding the mini Manchas?
     
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  7. Oct 9, 2017
    CntryBoy777

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    Well, all I can say is....I'm sure glad it is your decision to make, because they all look absolutely Wonderful and I'd just have to flip a coin or eenie-meenie-miney-mo it.....:)
    I was scrolling past that last pic and had to stop and study it for a minute....then I figured out it was some fingers dangling in the ear area....:lol:....ya had been talking about ears, so it was on my mind and thought it was certainly a strange ear formation....:gig
     
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    Southern by choice

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    @Hens and Roos If the are 50/50 then earliest is 7 months but they have to be minimum 60 lbs too.
    Of course we look at the whole goat - usually they are not bred at 7 months but more like 9 months or the next year... they need to have good width in the hips.

    @CntryBoy777 :D lol I scrolled back- completely missed that - I guess I am too focused on that escutcheon. Goat people are such dorks.:gig
     
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    Hens and Roos

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    Good to know on weight/age- we will not breed her this year anyways-but it's nice to have the information tucked away!

    Had to go back and look at the picture too...:lol:
     
  10. Nov 11, 2017
    Southern by choice

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    Well, I don't have any good pics but I did notice in the field last week that Leah and Lucy are so big already. :\
    They are just shy of 8 and 7 weeks.
    IOW looks like Leah will be an overachiever again and Lucy is looking the same.
    Not even two months bred and they are already getting quite large. I told them twins is fine... no need for excess.
    Don't think they got the message.

    We still have a few more does to breed.
    They were in heat but we have had the sickness plague here... doctors visits, terrible crud virus, ear infections, the whole fam shared this lovely bug too... I also ended up with pleuritis.
    Just did not have the energy to be moving goats in out of breeding pens. General care was the only priority last week.

    So much to catch up on now.
     
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