Farmerjan's journal - Weather

[farmerjan]

Sunday.... DA#& this time change... it was nearly 10 when I got upbecause it was about midnight when we got home AND feeling sick again... SADLY, it was an allergic reaction sick...

Went and the cows came right back into the pen within minutes of me getting to snyder's yesterday afternoon.. these 2 are just like dreams compared to some I have had in the past,,,, for only being together less than 2 weeks...
I just need them to find the water trough at the bottom of the hill so I don't have to haul as much water to them since we are not getting any rain to collect.

Had a good time at the hockey game... it was a well matched one, both teams very good... double overtime since 0-0 all through the game... the goalies were really really good... but the visiting team won with 1 point in the shoot out.... The referees suck on calling fouls though... really really bad... missed alot of downright obvious calls and a couple times called fouls on the home team when the opposing team started some nasty aggressive stuff... the visiting team was out for blood and you could see it... seems that people that DS and GF see weekly were all saying the same thing... and there was one ref that was just outright blind... to things happening right near him...

GF and DS were late meeting me, so they decided to eat there...they had Colt and Andi... her ex husbands other daughter who is a good kid and luckily GF is not opposed to taking her places with the sister's 2 kids... GF own daughter is now 15 and "doesn't like to go places with MOM"... we all know how that goes with teenagers... especially girls at that age it seems....
Okay, chicken strips and ff would be okay right??? NOPE... something in the breading/coating of the strips OR whatever they oil used to fry stuff in, triggered a reaction... as the night went on, I started coughing more, nose running, and the tightness in the chest.... still have some today but not quite as bad, still tightness in the breathing dept.... cannot take deep breaths this morning... Did not sleep good due to waking up with the coughing...
I will know better next time... hope to go again... and I will eat ahead of time and settle for something like a pack of candy like skittles or something... Had bottled Dole brand lemonade which was good... did not want soda....
Overall had a good time though... it was fast and furious action all night...

So, I have not been to the cows yet and might let them out this evening for the night instead... let them back in, in the morning... see how that goes....

Going back a bit... DS said he got a text pic of the weights and the accounting of the cattle... we got right at $4.90 / lb for the steers... he didn't tell me the total weight... but it has been submitted to the bank that handles his financing and we should get a check in 7-10 days usually...
SADLY, the "PROFIT" will be eaten up in good part by the huge increase in diesel/fuel prices... and in fertilizer costs...
Cattle prices fell off here on Friday.. ESPECIALLY the bigger ones... I think he said they were down to the 4.40-4.60 range on Friday...for the 6 wts and bigger.... he went to town to watch at the local sale barn Friday for a bit as he had to take a set of "forks" for the front of the tractor that the frame got bent to see if the shop can get them heated and "bent back"....
The smaller ones were higher... 2-3-low 400 lb stuff was in the $5-7.00 range... we are sorting our smaller steers and any heifers we don't want this week... Caleb was going to come last Wed but DS was sick so they put it off a week... think they are doing it Tues or Wed... he said he will let me know...
I told DS I think they ought to go NOW... get them gone at the prices they are bringing... not feed them... save the pastures if we are under stocked... because I am not liking the dry conditions so far... and just do more rotating around with what we have... maybe make more hay on one or 2 places... if there is a surplus of grass... Keep any heifers we want... IF prices have a bit of a melt down... then can buy back some stuff if we want to... Or I told him... get rid of this smaller stuff we don't plan to keep anyway.... and then maybe buy a few bigger, ready to breed heifers... 700+ lb stuff... turn out with the bull with ours in June/July...... have some breds to either sell in the spring or keep to "repopulate" our own herd... at approx $2800-3,000 a piece for those steers we just sold.... we can buy back heifers at 7-900 lbs for the same or less money and have 10-20 to breed in June... We only have 3 or 4 we kept last year because so many were smaller framed from the one bull we sold... did not grow fast....
PLUS, the possibility of buying some of the cows from the farm where our last bull purchase came from.... if they have to cut their herd this fall as they are anticipating from losing the one big farm they leased, when it got sold. I will gladly buy some of their genetics especially if it is older cows they have been using for several years....
We will calve out about 60 head this spring...plus the 6-7 that were hold overs with 2 month calves... so not like we are down to nothing... and have 50-70 to preg check with fall calves on them now... to be weaned in June or so...
OH, also... the 3 bred heifers of his, that DS sold to the neighbor this spring... have all calved for him.. DS is very happy that he got live healthy calves on the ground... and that the dead calf that the neighbor found a couple months ago, was NOT from the 3 new bought heifers...so, it was out of one of his own cows... which they have no clue... So far I think we have 2 or 3 heifers that have calved so far out of 12.... clip board is in the car...

Gotta get out to the chickens and then see about going up the hill.... won't turn the cows out until after 6 or so... with the time change, I have a hard time thinking when it will start getting dark.
Glad the clothes got done and in yesterday... they smell so good...

 

[fuzzi]

Sorry about the reaction. I eat out very little, mainly because I don't know what's been added to the food, could be something I react to.

 

[farmerjan]

Tuesday night... Been a couple of BEEEOOOOTIFUL Days... 75 yesterday, 80 today. light breezes... BUT actually was TOO WARM.... it is too warm too soon and hard to adjust... Still... it was nice working out there doing some stuff.
Yesterday was unfortunately a HORRIBLE day at the farm...I will elaborate in a few..... Did the cows... let them out Sunday eve for the night... and they came right in Monday morning... BUT before I got up there, DS had gone in to get the silage wagon to take to the barn to fill... and there is #3 steer... he is on the old #3 cow that is not getting bred back.... she was open and has NO TEETH, and we put her and the other 2 old cows there that had prolapsed....with their calves... because there would not be a bull there and they were going to get sold......and that #3 steer calf is sucking on the JERSEY cow, Maggie..... REALLY ????? So DS calls me, I was getting ready to go out the door to go put the cows in... and he tells me. Said that if I could get 3 and her #3 calf in, he would move them to the barn....
I went up , and that little S.O.B was sucking her again while I pulled up near the barn... So, I got the 2 jerseys in, fed their grain... and then left to hang the clothes on the line and go get the Limi bull in.
Came back and the cows/heifers were around the barn area... so I fixed the gates inside... let the jerseys have the small lot and the whole inside of the barn, opened the gate and they could get anyone in the catch pen... #3 cow went right in with a couple of others... and #3 steer was being a pain... but finally he went alongside another heifer and went in... WAH LAH.... CAUGHT.... I sorted out the rest and just kept 3 and #3 steer in that side of the catch pen lot... Called DS and told him they were in and he could get them whenever... that the jerseys and their calves were on the other side and would be fine...
Now realize this was only the 3rd time these 2 jerseys had been out of this pen since they came there... not like he had gotten on her before then went back on her... he had NEVER had access to her before the last 3 days..... Little B*st**d.....

DS had the older fellow for the day, working on cleaning up fenceline next door so the guy can come back and do the rest of the fence posts at Grant's... we are replacing the whole fence along the road there where the deer run through and the calves like to escape and get out on the dirt road...and the trucks that aren't supposed to be on the road take the corner of the fence out with their tractor trailers on the extremely tight corner..... and they will do the rest of the fence posts at my house.... I also showed DS and Buck all the stuff I want cut down... scrub trees and lots of black walnut saplings that are coming up from the wonderful squirrels planting the nuts all the time... just general clean up... Buck is retired from cutting timber all his life, bad back so works like about 4-6 hours at a stretch some days...tries to not work but every other day because of the back acting up.... quiet but nice guy and likes the extra cash.... he works well by himself and plugs right along... does a nice job, don't have to babysit him... He takes a bunch of breaks for 10-15 minutes to rest his back, but still gets alot done.... DEFINITELY worth the pay... he doesn't have a car, so we have to go get him...his wife has the car for her working... a little inconvenient... but it helps so supplement his disability pay/SS or whatever he gets. They don't have a lot so he appreciates the work...

So, the Vet was supposed to stop by and check out the "Limi" bull's foot... he's been limping... and DS was at the farm doing some stuff...had to meet the guys bringing the poultry litter.... and take parts of one truck down to get some work done on it... I swung by the farm, got the bull out of the field and walked him down the small alley so DS didn't have to deal with that and he would be ready for the vet....

Vet came, DS was at the farm, and they got him in, gave him a shot of rompum... which calms them and will put them "down" on the ground... sedative type.... he had an abcess in the foot, so they cleaned it all out... goes to give him another shot to "counter" the rompum so he will wake up quicker... bull rolls sorta over... and then he just died... right there... DS said they worked on him.... pounding on him to try to restart his heart... NOTHING.... so we lost a good bull.... FREAK ACCIDENT..... but he was a good older bull and decent to work around, no trouble... and to top it all off, he was my bull.... I had bought him.... AND..... there was about $3,000 laying there dead....
This is something we have done before... putting the bull "down" to work on him.... did the neighbor's bull 2 years in a row to trim feet etc... and the vet said he has never had anything like this happen in the 15+ years he has been doing vet work.... It is "safer" for the vet and anyone working on them...
DS said he cried... and then he had to load him up on the truck to take him to the landfill and he said he cried when he unloaded him there.... because it was just such a shame... and a decent bull... We have had the "limi" since 2017 or 18 , I think????

So he said that he will not do this again... if it is something they cannot do in the chute with him tied etc... without putting the animal "out"... then we will ship them for slaughter rather than take this risk again... Wasn't planning to sell him for another year or 2... we were going to use him this coming June, at least...

The other option might be to take one to another vet clinic we sometimes use... as they have the big chute and all.... we have them do some of our BSE for the bulls for semen quality testing....
The sad thing is when they get this big... it is hard to put them in a chute... ours is not big enough to accomodate a big bull like ours are....

So Monday ended in disaster... he may very well have just had a heart attack since he was an older bull...But DA@%......
DS did come get #3 and the steer calf later, and we went and put them in with the smallest 8 calves so they would not get pushed around or hurt... Stopped that problem.....

So today, Caleb came and we sorted through the calves again... grouped them according to how he thought they would grade.... size, similarity of build.... Sorted out the bigger sized bunch of 12 heifers we are keeping.... for now at least....
Have 14 steers in the 500 +/- lb range, that will get sold as one group.... plans are for them to go on Friday. to the "close" stockyard here 1/2 hr away.... The guys did a short video of them for the stockyard, and will have a list of their vaccs, weaning time etc... for them.... They should get sold as a one owner group... That stockyard does not do "graded sales".... but they usually get top money for the good calves... I cannot stand the mgr... but they get some good buyers there when they have good runs of cattle...

Have about 15-16 of the smallest ones...both heifers and steers that will go this Saturday, 14th.... one has a bad eye from pinkeye we could never clear up, Jess's white steer from last year that got weaned (she is getting BIG around so pretty sure she is bred), odd balls, and just small ones that we have no intention of keeping...plus the #3 s.o.b. milk thief.... he actually closely matches the 3 steers in that lot...

Sorted and matched up the small/medium sized heifers... 5 in one group and 7 in another group.... that will go on Sat 21st to the graded sale at the stockyard an hour north.... ...plus a couple of big steers that were too heavy for the guy we sold to 2 weeks ago... they weigh 700 at least... and 4 red steers that DS had bought pretty cheap... that ought to grade and they weigh at least 600 plus... Graded cattle are bunches from different people that are "co-mingled" together by weight/size... could be 20 from 20 people that each had 1 or 20 from 3 people... they all get weighed for the people selling them...so you get paid for your own animals and then they get put together to make bigger groups for the buyers...all of similar weight and sizes... and usually bring more money in bigger groups... Also, at the graded sales they are SUPPOSED to be weaned off cows for at least 45 days, so no "bawlers" wanting momma... vaccs are optional at some sales, and required at some of the special sales.

So within 2 weeks all the calves at the barn should be sold....

Prices on the smaller ones are RIDICULOUSLY HIGH... it has come off some on the 5 wt and heavier calves... heifers are quite high priced in general.... BUT... not knowing how things will look in a month, I have been pushing a bit to get them gone.... in case it should drop more due to the mess in Iran and costs of fuel and all going way up... and it could just be having a short hiccup and then start climbing again...

Also, my 2 bred holstein heifers are going on one of my dairy farms... and they will get delivered soon.... one is bagged up and getting close... the other is about a month off... which is about right. We will trade out some calves... I will get back their 2 ang/x calves and then a couple others... They are the ones I got the 12 her/hol cross heifers from last year... They treated me real good on those heifers.... and with the way bull calves are costing... I won't get but a couple more... but that is fine... and I don't need them now anyway... If I get back this calf due anytime, I will put it on the new heifer... and then worry about things later on. I might get $3,000 a piece at the dairy sale, but I might not... and he treats his cows decent... and I do not want to use them for nurse cows... Plus they are both a bit of bullies with the rest of the heifers and the 2 jerseys at snyder's... so time for them to go... I purposely did NOT let myself get attached to them...

Past time to go to bed... going to ride with DS tomorrow to deliver some hay and then go look at a skid loader on "tracks".... huge farm settle an estate, sale... he wants to get a "forestry mulcher" grinder for the front of it.... since he is tired of the guy that has promised him to come do it for over a month now... last time they came right away, but then took forever to finish what he wanted done... and DS has been talking about getting one... to clean up some of the pastures we have... cut back overgrowth enroaching along the edges of fields etc... without having to do so much "hand work" since he just does not feel up to it sometimes... and it will save alot of time... plus capital expenditures will offset some of the "big money/profits" that these calves are making... and then can be written off as business expenses... Most of this equipmwnt has been sitting under cover/barns and sheds, for 5-15 years... but most are running now... Very LOW hours.... but he needs to go look at it and determine if it is the high capacity pump for the hydraulics... friend of his at a dealership said that you can't tell by the serial number as they put 3 different pumps in them that year... AND some have 3 and some have 5 hydraulic hook up spots... couple other things he wants to look at... some steel trusses for an equipment shed or another addition to the hay barn for hay storage under cover...

Thursday is DR appts for him... Friday I am testing and he will take those steers to town.... Sat we will take another load to the other stockyard... Next week I guess I will have to get serious about testing some farms...

We got a shower this evening... not enough to barely get the ground wet... WE NEED MOISTURE... Maybe Wed night and Thursday some storms????

 

[drstratton]

Tuesday night... Been a couple of BEEEOOOOTIFUL Days... 75 yesterday, 80 today. light breezes... BUT actually was TOO WARM.... it is too warm too soon and hard to adjust... Still... it was nice working out there doing some stuff.
Yesterday was unfortunately a HORRIBLE day at the farm...I will elaborate in a few..... Did the cows... let them out Sunday eve for the night... and they came right in Monday morning... BUT before I got up there, DS had gone in to get the silage wagon to take to the barn to fill... and there is #3 steer... he is on the old #3 cow that is not getting bred back.... she was open and has NO TEETH, and we put her and the other 2 old cows there that had prolapsed....with their calves... because there would not be a bull there and they were going to get sold......and that #3 steer calf is sucking on the JERSEY cow, Maggie..... REALLY ????? So DS calls me, I was getting ready to go out the door to go put the cows in... and he tells me. Said that if I could get 3 and her #3 calf in, he would move them to the barn....
I went up , and that little S.O.B was sucking her again while I pulled up near the barn... So, I got the 2 jerseys in, fed their grain... and then left to hang the clothes on the line and go get the Limi bull in.
Came back and the cows/heifers were around the barn area... so I fixed the gates inside... let the jerseys have the small lot and the whole inside of the barn, opened the gate and they could get anyone in the catch pen... #3 cow went right in with a couple of others... and #3 steer was being a pain... but finally he went alongside another heifer and went in... WAH LAH.... CAUGHT.... I sorted out the rest and just kept 3 and #3 steer in that side of the catch pen lot... Called DS and told him they were in and he could get them whenever... that the jerseys and their calves were on the other side and would be fine...
Now realize this was only the 3rd time these 2 jerseys had been out of this pen since they came there... not like he had gotten on her before then went back on her... he had NEVER had access to her before the last 3 days..... Little B*st**d.....

DS had the older fellow for the day, working on cleaning up fenceline next door so the guy can come back and do the rest of the fence posts at Grant's... we are replacing the whole fence along the road there where the deer run through and the calves like to escape and get out on the dirt road...and the trucks that aren't supposed to be on the road take the corner of the fence out with their tractor trailers on the extremely tight corner..... and they will do the rest of the fence posts at my house.... I also showed DS and Buck all the stuff I want cut down... scrub trees and lots of black walnut saplings that are coming up from the wonderful squirrels planting the nuts all the time... just general clean up... Buck is retired from cutting timber all his life, bad back so works like about 4-6 hours at a stretch some days...tries to not work but every other day because of the back acting up.... quiet but nice guy and likes the extra cash.... he works well by himself and plugs right along... does a nice job, don't have to babysit him... He takes a bunch of breaks for 10-15 minutes to rest his back, but still gets alot done.... DEFINITELY worth the pay... he doesn't have a car, so we have to go get him...his wife has the car for her working... a little inconvenient... but it helps so supplement his disability pay/SS or whatever he gets. They don't have a lot so he appreciates the work...

So, the Vet was supposed to stop by and check out the "Limi" bull's foot... he's been limping... and DS was at the farm doing some stuff...had to meet the guys bringing the poultry litter.... and take parts of one truck down to get some work done on it... I swung by the farm, got the bull out of the field and walked him down the small alley so DS didn't have to deal with that and he would be ready for the vet....

Vet came, DS was at the farm, and they got him in, gave him a shot of rompum... which calms them and will put them "down" on the ground... sedative type.... he had an abcess in the foot, so they cleaned it all out... goes to give him another shot to "counter" the rompum so he will wake up quicker... bull rolls sorta over... and then he just died... right there... DS said they worked on him.... pounding on him to try to restart his heart... NOTHING.... so we lost a good bull.... FREAK ACCIDENT..... but he was a good older bull and decent to work around, no trouble... and to top it all off, he was my bull.... I had bought him.... AND..... there was about $3,000 laying there dead....
This is something we have done before... putting the bull "down" to work on him.... did the neighbor's bull 2 years in a row to trim feet etc... and the vet said he has never had anything like this happen in the 15+ years he has been doing vet work.... It is "safer" for the vet and anyone working on them...
DS said he cried... and then he had to load him up on the truck to take him to the landfill and he said he cried when he unloaded him there.... because it was just such a shame... and a decent bull... We have had the "limi" since 2017 or 18 , I think????

So he said that he will not do this again... if it is something they cannot do in the chute with him tied etc... without putting the animal "out"... then we will ship them for slaughter rather than take this risk again... Wasn't planning to sell him for another year or 2... we were going to use him this coming June, at least...

The other option might be to take one to another vet clinic we sometimes use... as they have the big chute and all.... we have them do some of our BSE for the bulls for semen quality testing....
The sad thing is when they get this big... it is hard to put them in a chute... ours is not big enough to accomodate a big bull like ours are....

So Monday ended in disaster... he may very well have just had a heart attack since he was an older bull...But DA@%......
DS did come get #3 and the steer calf later, and we went and put them in with the smallest 8 calves so they would not get pushed around or hurt... Stopped that problem.....

So today, Caleb came and we sorted through the calves again... grouped them according to how he thought they would grade.... size, similarity of build.... Sorted out the bigger sized bunch of 12 heifers we are keeping.... for now at least....
Have 14 steers in the 500 +/- lb range, that will get sold as one group.... plans are for them to go on Friday. to the "close" stockyard here 1/2 hr away.... The guys did a short video of them for the stockyard, and will have a list of their vaccs, weaning time etc... for them.... They should get sold as a one owner group... That stockyard does not do "graded sales".... but they usually get top money for the good calves... I cannot stand the mgr... but they get some good buyers there when they have good runs of cattle...

Have about 15-16 of the smallest ones...both heifers and steers that will go this Saturday, 14th.... one has a bad eye from pinkeye we could never clear up, Jess's white steer from last year that got weaned (she is getting BIG around so pretty sure she is bred), odd balls, and just small ones that we have no intention of keeping...plus the #3 s.o.b. milk thief.... he actually closely matches the 3 steers in that lot...

Sorted and matched up the small/medium sized heifers... 5 in one group and 7 in another group.... that will go on Sat 21st to the graded sale at the stockyard an hour north.... ...plus a couple of big steers that were too heavy for the guy we sold to 2 weeks ago... they weigh 700 at least... and 4 red steers that DS had bought pretty cheap... that ought to grade and they weigh at least 600 plus... Graded cattle are bunches from different people that are "co-mingled" together by weight/size... could be 20 from 20 people that each had 1 or 20 from 3 people... they all get weighed for the people selling them...so you get paid for your own animals and then they get put together to make bigger groups for the buyers...all of similar weight and sizes... and usually bring more money in bigger groups... Also, at the graded sales they are SUPPOSED to be weaned off cows for at least 45 days, so no "bawlers" wanting momma... vaccs are optional at some sales, and required at some of the special sales.

So within 2 weeks all the calves at the barn should be sold....

Prices on the smaller ones are RIDICULOUSLY HIGH... it has come off some on the 5 wt and heavier calves... heifers are quite high priced in general.... BUT... not knowing how things will look in a month, I have been pushing a bit to get them gone.... in case it should drop more due to the mess in Iran and costs of fuel and all going way up... and it could just be having a short hiccup and then start climbing again...

Also, my 2 bred holstein heifers are going on one of my dairy farms... and they will get delivered soon.... one is bagged up and getting close... the other is about a month off... which is about right. We will trade out some calves... I will get back their 2 ang/x calves and then a couple others... They are the ones I got the 12 her/hol cross heifers from last year... They treated me real good on those heifers.... and with the way bull calves are costing... I won't get but a couple more... but that is fine... and I don't need them now anyway... If I get back this calf due anytime, I will put it on the new heifer... and then worry about things later on. I might get $3,000 a piece at the dairy sale, but I might not... and he treats his cows decent... and I do not want to use them for nurse cows... Plus they are both a bit of bullies with the rest of the heifers and the 2 jerseys at snyder's... so time for them to go... I purposely did NOT let myself get attached to them...

Past time to go to bed... going to ride with DS tomorrow to deliver some hay and then go look at a skid loader on "tracks".... huge farm settle an estate, sale... he wants to get a "forestry mulcher" grinder for the front of it.... since he is tired of the guy that has promised him to come do it for over a month now... last time they came right away, but then took forever to finish what he wanted done... and DS has been talking about getting one... to clean up some of the pastures we have... cut back overgrowth enroaching along the edges of fields etc... without having to do so much "hand work" since he just does not feel up to it sometimes... and it will save alot of time... plus capital expenditures will offset some of the "big money/profits" that these calves are making... and then can be written off as business expenses... Most of this equipmwnt has been sitting under cover/barns and sheds, for 5-15 years... but most are running now... Very LOW hours.... but he needs to go look at it and determine if it is the high capacity pump for the hydraulics... friend of his at a dealership said that you can't tell by the serial number as they put 3 different pumps in them that year... AND some have 3 and some have 5 hydraulic hook up spots... couple other things he wants to look at... some steel trusses for an equipment shed or another addition to the hay barn for hay storage under cover...

Thursday is DR appts for him... Friday I am testing and he will take those steers to town.... Sat we will take another load to the other stockyard... Next week I guess I will have to get serious about testing some farms...

We got a shower this evening... not enough to barely get the ground wet... WE NEED MOISTURE... Maybe Wed night and Thursday some storms????

So sorry about the loss of your bull.

 

[RR Homestead]

Dog gone those milk thieves!
I'm so sorry about the loss of the bull. That's a big hit. Definitely wouldn't have expected that from the sedative. You just never know what can happen. I hope you can get him replaced before breeding season.

 

[fuzzi]

Sorry about your bull, that just stinks.

 

[Baymule]

Ouch. I know that losses occur but freaky things like that just come out of nowhere and hit you hard. I would have cried over him too. Why does it always have to be the ones you love and value the most?

The vet I use has a huge hydraulic tilt for trimming cattle feet. It adjusts from huge bull size down to sheep size. I took Cooper in because he was limping on not one, but two feet. Poor guy. The vet pressed buttons and reduced it down to fit Cooper, tilted him over and checked his feet. He had an abscess on one and just a sprain on the other.

Maybe if this ever comes up again, you could pen the bull, back up trailer to the gate and put feed in the trailer to get him to go in.

Y'all are doing real well at the sales. I hope the prices stay good. It looks like we will be battling screw worm here before too long. That will affect prices too. Once screw worms cross the border into Texas, that's going to shut down our borders into the rest of the country and really "screw" us over. It's a 5 hour drive to Corpus Christi and another 2 hours to Mexico from where I live. I already have a couple of cans of screw worm spray, I'm going to get some more. I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and can't find any.

 

[SageHill]

OH man - sorry about the bull. Those things happen though not often. Ouch

 

[Mini Horses]

Had that happen in to a beloved riding horse once

 

[murphysranch]

Like Bay said, I immediately thought of the guy on The Hoof GP. His chute handles large dairy cattle. I know that the vet tried really really hard, and it wasn't their fault. Its very sad.