Herniated boar?! Something big and unwelcome in the scrotum.

Pinecones

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This forum looks fairly inactive, but here's to hoping someone may be on and have some helpful input.

We've got a kunekune breeding boar that's almost 2 years old. He's been out of sorts for a week or two, limping on and off, seeming like he's in pain when he stands up sometimes, yawning constantly, and being very silent- normally he's a talker. Seems to be eating and drinking a bit but today he didn't come running for food.
He's super sweet. I've repeatedly checked his legs looking for heat, swelling, or any indication of his limping lately. He also does this funny little dance, shuffling between his back legs when he gets up. We looked at him again today and thought "hm, his balls look funny". His testicles are pushed to the bottom of his scrotum and the protruding lump, the size of a grapefruit perhaps, is not a testicle! It's a growth, tumor, hernia, or SOMETHING.

So here's the deal. We're not taking him to a vet. If you REALLY need me to justify myself, consider that right now we're snowmobiling in and out of our property for supplies. Okay? Okay. This is a "fix it ourselves or put him down" situation.

We did do a phone consultation with a vet, though suffice to say there are no livestock vets in our area, let alone pig specialists. He said if it was a hernia and the boar has been out of sorts for over a week, he'd probably be dead already. He said if it "feels like an intestine that can be pushed around or moved" it may be a hernia. The vet cautiously said that poking it with a needle might be our best bet to determine what's going on if we rule out hernia; and from there determine if he can be helped or needs to be put down. We'd really rather not do the latter if we can help it.

This lump is pretty firm with a little bit of squish to it. It's not hot, the scrotum doesn't look inflamed. I messed with it a little bit and the skin doesn't seem to slide around over it, but whether it's attached to the skin or it's just so big that the skin is too tight over it I don't know. There's no tract or wound on the scrotum. The bulge seems smooth and evenly textured; if it's full of liquid it's REALLY full, because it doesn't feel like a 'liquid squish'. We're no strangers to home vetting, I cut abscesses the size of baseballs, I've stitched critters shut, dealt with some gnarly wounds, etc. We're willing to do what needs to be done to help him if we can, but I'm rather hesitant about cutting into his scrotum- and I doubt he'll let us, despite his love for us.

Any helpful thoughts about what this might be? We can make a squeeze chute of some kind if we have to. I didn't get a photo but I doodled what it looks like.
 

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Oh wow...this is a conundrum. I think I'd be tempted to try a needle aspiration knowing full well that he's not gonna be happy about it. We've used a hog snare with success at times - or even a loop of rope in the mouth that they bite down on and you can tighten. Or, if he's fairly friendly maybe you can simply distract him with some feed and not actually have to build something.

I sort of disagree with the vets statement that if it were a hernia he'd be dead right now. My take on it is if it is a "strangulated" hernia he'd be dead by now. Some hernias can move in and out as I'm sure you know. Sounds like it's becoming more uncomfortable and at some point may very well strangulate and bring about a terrible death for him. If it's really tight now and wasn't previously it may well have already strangulated. I can't think of anything else it could be except for a cyst/abscess or a hernia as you mentioned.

Based on what, if anything, you find with an aspiration - I'd be prepared to put him down. :(

Don't worry about justifying about calling a vet on this forum. We're pretty logical and understand that the best outcome is what works for the owner, the animal and sometimes the pocketbook.

And welcome - just sorry it was a problem that got you here!

Tagging @High Desert Cowboy - He's got tons more experience with hogs than I do.
 

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Thank you for the response, EM. Between your feedback, what we got from the vet, and our own research and discussions we decided to lance him. We hoped/guessed that it wasn't a hernia. It wasn't squishy and I think if he had a hernia THAT huge and THAT hard, he wouldn't be walking around eating and drinking; otherwise alert but uncomfortable. And if it were actually a hernia that bad, we'd be putting him down anyway.

So we prepped ourselves and scrubbed on him and gave him some love and we dove in for the cut. An absolutely shocking amount of pus came out of the 1"~ incision. He didn't seem to be in too much pain and we loved on him for awhile and milked out as much as we could. He was actually showing quite a bit of relief within a few minutes and allowed us to keep milking it out while he got some treats. We will be keeping up with syringes of warm antiseptic fluids to flush it out daily.

I'm curious for some abscess care input. I've never dealt with an abscess of this scale. I keep them open, drained, and flushed while they're healing, but does the location change anything I should do? I'm worried about fecal contamination, as well as the nature of this being inside his scrotum. We also have no idea where this abscess came from. Some of the girls were in heat about 3 weeks ago and he seemed enthusiastic about his job at the time, so it wasn't there or it wasn't that bad. I've kept the drained pockets packed with sterile/antiseptic cotton swabs before, but the size of this cavity makes me worried about packing anything in and LOSING it. lol. Any suggestions?

Edit; as we discuss and ponder, it's possible he got something lodged in his scrotum in the past. Our boars have always been fond of scratching their scrotum on stuff, and our hampshire boar always had cuts and scratches and small benign wounds on his scrote. They live in a forested area with lots of sticks and branches, plus he could've found an odd bit of sharp fencing and poked himself on it, maybe it's jsut been festering slowly ever since. That's what we're hoping, at least. If there's something going on internally to have caused this, it's way more forboding to think about. He's a stellar pig and a great kunekune and we really don't want to have to replace him!
 
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Wow - so glad that's what it was....I think, lol. You deserve about a gazillion kudos for doing what you did. Guess Kunekune's are as sweet as folks say they are. I have AGH's and just love their personalities.

Good luck on keeping your guy going and for not giving up and putting him down before you knew what was really going on.

And now - it's required. We need a picture!!
 

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The kunes are like dogs. Our boar grew up on the porch/in the house with us for the first few tender months- he and the sows were too tiny to kick out into the barnyard! He had a love affair with our late mastiff. If you sit anywhere in the pen or pasture he's sure to come snuggle into your lap. Or lay down, roll over, and lift a leg for a belly rub. He like to lay down and let the baby goats play on him all day as well. He doesn't have a mean bone in his body. He's super sweet and romantic with the girls, too.

The dog photos are from when he was a piglet. The others are from this summer. I don't have any more recent ones. He got frost bite on his ears last winter, unfortunately, but he's still a big fuzzy teddy bear. We think they're super cute pigs.


Still happy for any recommendations for abscess care on the size and delicate nature of this one!
 

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Ahhhh - he is a cutie and looks super sweet! A quick google search suggested normal saline. My nurse DH seconded that vote...but that's info for humans - not dirt loving pigs, lol. Also, like you mentioned, fecal contamination could be a thing. I guess it would depend on where the opening is....if it's towards the bottom of the area maybe the poo wouldn't contact the incision? Thinking back - there was a time when I had to do a uterine flush on a pygmy doe for about 10 days...I used a diluted iodine solution. Hopefully someone with more experience than I have will chime in.
 

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I’ve dealt with abscesses..used saline flushes..but, not in that area...could you use something like loose veterap from keeping them tied up in a configured eight so no feces gets in? I’ve only had this issue in small scale..so vetwrap worked great....have no clue if they even sell spool that ginormous..:( :)
 

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I am glad that this didn't take a nose dive, resulting in the loss of your boar. The part about not rushing him to the vet...….to me, it can get to the point of stupid real quick when the vet bill racks up $$$$$ for an animal that may be worth $. Pets are another matter, we all have a bit of absolutely besotted behavior in us. The bad part is when you spend $1,000 and still go home with a dead animal. Sometimes it just sucks. So, we understand where you are coming from. Then you go out to your pig and start drawing out pus and infection. Kudos to you! I read that with great relief.

On the infection part, I second the vet wrap, if you can convince him to leave it alone. Or, just hope for the best and clean it several times a day.
 
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