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Pen G, Tylans? Sick goat.

Discussion in 'Diseases & Injuries - Goats' started by Mamaboid, Mar 11, 2013.

  1. Mar 11, 2013
    Mamaboid

    Mamaboid Loving the herd life

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    I have spent all morning trying to find a dosage for Pen G for goats. Is it different for different problems, or is there a standard dosage to fall back on? Also, are pen g and tylan 50 or 2000 interchangeable? If so, what about dosage for tylans? I want this info for general information, I have no emergency situation right now.

    I do have a 7 week old fainter doeling that is scouring this morning. I have given her jump start pro bios, and started her on dimethox treatment for coccidiosis. Watching her closely and will yell for help if she gets worse, but for now, I am ok.

    We have NO access to a vet, as the closest one that will treat goats is almost 2 hours away and will NOT come this far. In an extreme emergency we could take them there but a trip that long would probably kill an animal that was that sick anyway. Consequently, we are pretty much on our own for treatments and so far have been very lucky.
     
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    Straw Hat Kikos

    Straw Hat Kikos The Kiko Cowboy

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    I dose Pen G at 1cc per 15 pounds and you have to do it every 8-12 hours (I do 12) and you have to do a course of it, NEVER just once. Go at least 5 days, I do 7.

    I use Dura-Pen
    Penicillin G Benzathine and Penicillin G Procaine Injectable.
    I use the 300,000 units per mL

    I much prefer an IM injection for all antibiotics but that's me.
     
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    Mamaboid

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    Thanks Straw, appreciate it.
     
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    Roll farms

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    I use Pen G (Penicillin Procaine G) at 1cc per 20#, every 12 hrs. I use it mainly when there is an injury / wound or for 'girl trouble' - rough kidding, retained placenta, etc.
    It's also the 'go to' for tetanus and listeriosis, along w/ B vitamin.

    I've never used Tylan, sorry.

    I keep tetracycline on hand but rarely use it, it tends to go bad (outdated) on me....but I keep buying more to keep on hand 'just in case'.

    I know you cannot use tetracyclines and Pen g at the same time, one cancels out the other.

    I also keep Nuflor on hand. It's my 'go to' drug.

    Here it seems our goats never get 'a little' sick. If they get sick, it's a BAD thing and I have to bring out my 'big gun' (Nuflor).
    I haven't had to use it for around a year, thankfully.
     
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    Straw Hat Kikos

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    Yes that's right. If you use oxytetracycline (LA200 or the likes) it will cancel the penicillin out.
     
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    Exactly what I needed.

    My Cara (LaMancha) was a little off nursing this morning. Noticed her left ear was all crusty. I cleaned it with an some alcohol wipes. Green gunky stuff. I would say she has an ear infection. I have PEN G on hand and wanted to know how much to give.

    STRAW HAT KIKOS does 1 CC / 15 lbs twice a day for 7 days.
    ROLL FARMS does 1 CC / 20 ilbs twice a day - How many days to go give?
     
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    Roll farms

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    Length of treatment depends on what the problem is...small wound? 7 days...a really deep wound that takes a long time to heal, I'd do 14 days.
    Rough kidding - 7 days
    Retained placenta - 10-14 days (depending on what the doe's drainage looks like).

    I also give Probios any time someone's on antibiotics for any length of time. :)
     
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    ThreeBoysChicks

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    Do you give in the muscle or under the skin?

    What size needle do you use?

    If giving in the muscle, which muscle do you use?
     
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    Straw Hat Kikos

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    Yes probios is a must during any form of antibiotic.

    I use 22g needles because that's what I have here but I hate 22g. I like 18 best.

    I give IM and I just hold the animal and stab it in the thigh, or hip muscle.
     
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    18 gauge needle for Penn G products, because it is so think. I use 3/4 inch needles. I find the 20Gauge needles a little too thin for the Penn G, but 20 gauge work well for vaccines.
    you can give it Sub-q or IM. I do every 8 hours the first day or two and then every 12 hours.

    I have not used Tylan, I have used La 200 injectable. LA 200 is also sold as Biomycin under a different brand name.

    This is a good time to discuss the difference between Durapen and Procain G. I prefer Procain G over Durapen. Durpen is a long acting pennicilling and has a longer withdrawal. I almost always go with a shorter withdrawl drug when ever possible, because we are a meat farm. But their is another reason. Procain G releases a bigger peak of antibiotic. by giving it 2 or 3 times a day you are causing peaks in the antibiotic and these peaks are very affective in killing the bacteria and helping the animal recover. Durapen is a long release antibiotic for of Penn G(procain G) and you don't get as high of peaks. At least that is how it was explained to us by a vet. There is really no benifit to the longer acting and you are just getting a longer withdrawal time. It is also why it is importnant to dose the Procain G 2 or 3 times a day.

    La 200 wouldn't be my first choice for a kid. I have used it on younger kids, but I prefer a non-tetracyclene based antibiotic on kids. High dosages of tetracyclene can affect bone growth on young growing animals. Although, If I had nothing else I would use it.

    I use 1 cc per 15 to 20 lbs of penn G, And I give it anywhere from 3 to 10 days. I may only give it 3 days if I am giving it along iwth coccidiosis medicine for scours, but for injuries and respiratory problems I would go with the 7 to 10 days. I have a kid right now that weighs 40 lbs and he has been getting 2 cc's twice a day for 9 days now for a leg injury.

    Penn G woudl be my choice for scours and injuries and for young kids.
    LA 200 I am more likely to use on older goats, kidding issues, respiratory problems in older goats and hoof problems.