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Pregnant doe with bloat

Discussion in 'Emergencies, Injuries, Diseases, and Cures' started by journey11, Mar 13, 2019.

  1. Mar 13, 2019
    Goat Whisperer

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    You have done a wonderful job!
    I’d be keeping an eye out for overeating disease. How much chicken feed did she eat?

    I really hope she pulls through. So scary.

    We’ve had bloat once, like you we used a needle (14g) to release the gas. It worked great but we ended up losing him to a twisted gut :(
     
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    Daxigait

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    So sorry. Do you know what caused the twisted got? How did you recognize that one. I've seen it in horses after collic.
     
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    We don’t know what caused it. I do have some ideas but we don’t know for certain.
    I’m just saying I’ll never feed chaffhaye again. Soon after this buck died our other bucks and a few does had horrible gut issues. We lost another buck and almost lost some does. Interestingly enough, the farms that had the same lot of chaffhaye had the same issues.

    Everything was normal. He didn’t get into grain and his hay feeder was always full.
    He presented with bloat and we treated it/released the gas. We started treating for enterotoxemia but it didn’t seem to “fit”. He died a few hours later. We opened him up and saw the twists. :(

    Based off of the other goats I do think their was some type of bad bacteria that became toxic- which caused the bloat and twists in the buck.
     
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    Katie is lot better today, but still not quite right. We have her at the vet now. She is eating and drinking, but not pooping much and not a lot of burping or the usual bowel sounds. Still very round. She acts like she's uncomfortable and is not wanting to move much or vocal as she normally is. I am hoping the vet can show me how to GI tube her. I should have probably tried that before puncturing the rumen, but I had no idea how.
     
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    So sad about the twisted gut. I am reading it is not common, but not much can be done for it either. :(
     
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    Sorry :hugs
    It amazes me when I talk to new people they say things like that that goats could eat anything. I try my best to reinforce on them that goats are fragile because we have bred them to very specific things that are not a mountain goat anymore.
     
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    Really hoping your doe pulls through! So scary! You don’t think she could’ve gotten into anything else, do you? No plastics bags or twine?

    Keep us updated!
     
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    I hope she gets better, can go home and her babies are ok. I have 9 ewes and they are my pets. I get it.
     
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    We were all outside working in the garden and the chicken yard for hours while the goats meandered about within view. I did catch her in the chicken feed while I was right there. I didn't think she got much, but you know how fast those little lips can move when they think they've got something good! I have noticed these girls crop grass more like a sheep and don't find much to browse. We let them out on grass every day for a couple hours and this was longer than usual, but I wouldn't say the grass has greened up much yet. I don't know... :hu Her buddy didn't get in the chicken feed, just her. She has stolen a nibble before.

    She had a 104.5 fever at the vet, but it is currently down to 102.7 when I checked her for the night. She is resting easier tonight, breathing softer and getting up and down easier. She eats hay, but is still not pooping very often and it was runny last. From her demeanor tonight, I am optimistic she'll bounce back.

    This is what all he sent her home with:
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    They also said Safeguard wasn't working on their worms and gave me 2 doses of Levimesole for both does. I just noticed they didn't charge me for that!
     
  10. Mar 15, 2019
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    Even after you take care of the bloat she could still have lingering effects of eating too much grain. I have notes from my vet (she taught a class I took) on how to treat a goat for grain overload, which would include eating chicken feed. Their rumen gets acidic when they eat too much grain so the goal is to dilute, buffer, and move the contents out. For a standard sized goat the rumen is about the size of a 5 gallon bucket. So you would use 1/2 cup of baking soda in 2-4 qts of electrolytes (with no glucose or other sugar). Another option is a large bottle of Pepto Bismol and 2-4 qts of electrolytes. Do this for 3-4 days. Treat with Pen G and probiotics. Heffenweisen beer, warm and flat, actually works faster and better than probiotics. Also give banamine.

    I had a doe get into some Calf Manna and she was one sick girl for about 4 days.
    Hope that your doe makes a full recovery.
     
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