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Quick question about LGD breeds

Discussion in 'Livestock Guardians' started by FRED DESANTIS, Mar 19, 2019.

  1. Mar 19, 2019
    Baymule

    Baymule Herd Master

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    100% what SBC said. You said something that gave me pause. You want her to go in a crate for a trip to the vet. These are not crate dogs. A crate would be a terrible insult. I have a 9 month old black Lab/Great Dane cross and he goes in a crate, it is his comfort spot. Someday he won't need it anymore, but for now he does. Putting a LGD in a crate would not bring the desired effect, it would hurt her feelings. When I take my dogs to the vet, they ride in the back seat. I put a blanket on the seat, it usually winds up in the floor, dog hair floats on the AC breeze and they drool. They are happy.

    The best thing you could do is read this forum. Read the posts on the LGD forum, there is lots of information there.

    These dogs are incredible animals. They work without supervision. They think for themselves, they really don't need us, and yet, they do.

    Goatgurl touched on barking. When your dog is barking, she sees, hears or smells SOMETHING. Maybe you don't see, hear or smell anything, but to her, SOMETHING is there. Go to her, talk to her, praise her, tell her thank you for doing your job. Let her know that you are there for her. Our female GP barks at night because there is SOMETHING out there. It turned out a couple of years ago that a couple of doe deer stashed their fawns in the horse pasture that is heavily wooded. The does had the audacity to walk mere feet from the fence dividing the horse pasture from Paris Land. She barked at them. All. Night. I found their tracks, proof that Paris was on the job, protecting her sheep from deer monsters. I started going outside, sitting with her, praising her and telling her she was a good dog. It quieted her down-a little. She sure hated those deer!

    Because we love that happy, adoring dog love, most of us, if not all of us also have house or farm dogs. We want that obedient dog that waits for us to command them to do something so they can show us how much they love us. And we love them madly for it.

    LGDs love us, on their terms. LGDs love their work, they love their goats or sheep.

    You need to "feel" your dog. It may sound silly, but instead of you wanting her to obey and mind you, you need to let it go and just let her into your heart. Sit in her work area, go walking with her, let her show you what she does. Praise her at every opportunity. If you think you are frustrated with her, think how frustrated she must be with you.

    I hope you realize that we are trying to not only help you, but help your dog.
     
  2. Mar 19, 2019
    Mike CHS

    Mike CHS Herd Master Golden Herd Member

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    Of all of the posts, that one bears repeating. The key being to help your dog
     
  3. Mar 20, 2019
    B&B Happy goats

    B&B Happy goats Herd Master Golden Herd Member

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    Hello Fred, having just adopted our dear LATESTARTERS Mel, I can attest to the posts above...we have two dogs....and we have a independent amazing creature named Mel....he is nonthing like a dog, spend time ...as much as you can daily with her walking your property, and with the goats ....when she barks...go listen and tell her good girl and pat and praise her...
    Mel weighs 132 lbs, in our short time together we are forming a trust and bond....if you watch her, listen to her and praise her....she will become your heart and protector....she will show you the way, be her partner.... if i can do this with a four year old ,who has just had his world turned upside down, then have him nutered within two weeks, ....then your young girl will be amazing. You got the best advice above you could possibly get on the preceding posts.....enjoy your girl and good luck ,
     
  4. Mar 20, 2019
    FRED DESANTIS

    FRED DESANTIS Overrun with beasties

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    Hi,
    Thank you for taking the time to write such a great response. She does come when called seventy percent of the time. Sometimes I put her on a very long lead and we walk the whole property. When she has gotten out she came back on her own accord. I spend time with her and the goats and she does seem happier staying with the goats than being in the yard by the house. You have given me a lot to think about and I will be changing my approach.
    Thanks again
    Fred

     
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    B&B Happy goats

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    Mel comes seventy percent of the time also...they ARE independent creatures for sure, lol....and i have found that Mel enjoys walking with me on the fence lines ( unleashed) he seems to feel my trust in him when I do that three times a day....telling him what a good boy he is, and this is your area to protect...good luck Fred...the reward is well worth the effort :)
     
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    FRED DESANTIS

    FRED DESANTIS Overrun with beasties

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    Hi Baymule,
    The reason the whole crate thing came up is because the Texas coalition for the protection of animals has offered to give the dog all of it's shots and vaccinations along with spaying her for 100.00.You drop her off between 8 and 9 am and pick her up at three the ask that the dogs be crated because their facilities do not have a lot of cage capacity otherwise I would not even own a crate. Sometimes at night when she is barking I will go out and give her a bone and ask her what she's barking at.


     
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    FRED DESANTIS

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    Hi Mike,
    I was wondering when you spend hours a day roaming the territory is your dog on a lead, I would be afraid she may run off and get hit by a car I live out in the country but there is some traffic.
    I have five and a half acres sometimes I will put her on a 20' lead and we will walk all over the property. she comes when she's called about 70 per cent of the time I can live with that.The reason the whole crate thing came up is because the Texas coalition for the protection of animals has offered to give the dog all of it's shots and vaccinations along with spaying her for 100.00.You drop her off between 8 and 9 am and pick her up at three the ask that the dogs be crated because their facilities do not have a lot of cage capacity otherwise I would not even own a crate. Sometimes at night when she is barking I will go out and give her a bone and ask her what she's barking at.
     
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    FRED DESANTIS

    FRED DESANTIS Overrun with beasties

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    She does love those belly rubs I will go out after dinner to pick up her dish and she will roll right over on her back for a good belly rub and scratching she gets a lot of love. I am not indifferent to her.Thanks for all of your suggestions and comments.
     
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    FRED DESANTIS

    FRED DESANTIS Overrun with beasties

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    Hi Goatgurl,
    Thanks for all the good advice. I didn't realise they don't eat a lot for their size I thought she just didn't like the food. She does seem to like being with the goats as opposed to being in the yard by the house I just figured she might like a break from being with the goats all the time so I brought her over to the house yard for awhile. thanks again.
     
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    Mike CHS

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    I have them on lead when I walk them out of the pastures but never use leads inside the paddocks. I get you on the crate situation and sometime you have to do less than ideal things.
     
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