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I was just on the equiman forums where someone was talking about feeding second cut hay to their drafts. I mentioned that I had fed second cut to my pony mare (You know Luna, 14hh QH X mare) and a few people replied saying to seriously reconsider feeding it to her because she'll founder. Luna was on Second cut all winter, at both the rescue and at our farm. They mentioned that it would have too much alfalfa and clover in it and would be like candy. Ours was field grass hay with a bit of alfalfa, we only started to get a little bit of clover in the field this year which I have been diligently pulling out because I know clover is more the problem than the alfalfa is.

Luna has not foundered, and she has no founder lines on her hoofs and there aren't any of the telltale sounds of founder or colic.

Am I totally putting my pony on death watch like they say? She's just finishing up the hay right now, it's now a year old and has lost a bit of it's quality over the year, I have about 50 bales left for her and our layover to share and they do pick through it and find the best bits. I'm getting first cut this year, only because it's available now and we've found a great and reasonably price source for it.

I haven't had any problems with Luna's feeding, and she's not on any grain, and unlike most of the horses that those King Township owners have, she doesn't get hay in a stall or anything since she's on 24 hour turnout.

I think we've become hypersensitive about feeding to the point where we CAUSE the founder and colic. We also used to feed our Draft X's second cut and they also say to not do that too! We have never bought that "special horse mix seed" for seeding fields and thus have no clover intentionally in our fields.
 

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What a horse is fed does not founder it. Founder happens with a sudden change in feed.
You can build any horse up to all they grain they want if needed and they will not founder, again it is the change in feed.

There are also other causes of founder. A number of metabolic conditions can lead to founder. With horse like that it does not matter what they are fed, they will founder.
 

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See that's what I thought! ... Luna, as far as we know, has never foundered but as far as I know she has also been on pasture her entire life.
 

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Farrier! said:
What a horse is fed does not founder it. Founder happens with a sudden change in feed.
You can build any horse up to all they grain they want if needed and they will not founder, again it is the change in feed.

There are also other causes of founder. A number of metabolic conditions can lead to founder. With horse like that it does not matter what they are fed, they will founder.
I agree!
 

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so many variables as to causes to founder. obeseity, road, water, feed room breakins, but i have never heard of second cutting hay being the cause, alfalfa, clover or any other kind. i have had horses for over45 years, boarded and trained in calif and ill, and never had one of mine to founder. had some winning show horses too, trail horses, and back yard ornaments. have a herd of ponies in so. illinois, out on pasture, and no founder(granted some are quite plump, but also pregnant). one difference, minimal fescue in pasture, mostly bremuda type grasses. ;)
 

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No founder here, either (24 years horse owner.) My Vet keeps tabs in the Spring on grass founder cases and I check with HER before they go onto the richest pasture. The other pasture has lots of clover, now, and dandelions, and fescue and rye (and some weeds.) My 2 can't keep up with eating down the 3 acres they wander on, what with ALL OF THE RAIN THIS YEAR!!!!! :barnie
NEVER had a founder problem with hay, even when I was feeding older horses straight alfalfa. I DO know that your hay supplier will tell you that the first cutting is generally NOT preferred. Most folks want 2nd or 3rd cutting because it's often better quality. AND, when there is a shortage people will buy practically ANY HAY so that their animals don't starve. Just food for thought. :old
 

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Farmers always seem to say around here that "oh noes bad year, no hay" but then all of a sudden everyone has like a million bales of hay because really it was actually an alright year.

Anyway, we don't really have "hay suppliers" we just buy from whoever has the best price for the best hay. This year I'm looking at some nice small squares from another equestrian facility for the goats, and probably large (5' long) squares for Luna.
 

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Well, for US it HAS been a bad year for hay--6 inches of rain, THIS MONTH alone, with barely 5 days in between each thunderstorm all summer. I KNOW--I've been doing outside chores every day. THAT's why I was so excited to fill my barn--didn't know if I'd have to scrounge.
We are TRYING to send OUR rain to Texas---guess we need to pray harder cause WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE RAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :barnie
 

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