Well my second doe kindled tonight went out to do my last checks for the night and turn lights off and noticed hair all over the cage and a big pile of fur in the nest box. From what I can tell without disturbing the nest too much she only had 4 Compared to 8 for my other doe. Hopefully this one will be as good of a mother as my other doe she raised all 8 of hers to weaning. So time will tell what she does.