Seeking advice/help with rescue saanen doe....pics included....

[lil'turkeyma]

First let me say I have owned goats on and off for the past 25 years.When we first married 25 years ago we kept a small herd of mixed brush goats on about 10 acres.We had up to about 20 at any one time.I haven't keep a herd in about 15 years.I have had various pet goats since,but usually just one at a time.I took in a bottle baby doeling last December.I posted about her then and she is still doing great today.I bought a nubian billy baby to raise with her but he got too "billy" too fast and had to go.So now I have taken in a 18 month old purebred saanen doe.I'll give what history I got on her.She was born at the farm where I got her and raised as a bottle baby.She got bred last fall and gave birth to a single doeling this spring with no problems.That baby was bottle raised and she was milked for 8 weeks.Her owners said she got bred too young and it had stunted her growth.They also said it is possible she got bred a few weeks ago.They had 7 others saanens they are milking and this one was the lowest ranked member of the herd and was being pushed around alot.She started getting the "runnys" about 3 months ago.The "runnys" come and go.That figured to me about the time they stopped milking her.Also they said since she was the low doe she always ate any and all left over grain,moldy and all.I asked about worming and was told she was wormed twice in the past month with safe-guard.Also they drenched her with some tetracycline last night.She is getting around great,is very alert and eating everything she can get in her mouth.I offered fresh water but haven't seen her drink.(She has been here a total of two hours)I have her well away from my other little doe.I gave her some good fresh hay and she is eating that.I'm fixing to go wash her bottom.I figure a dirty bottom just can't feel good or make her feel better.After that I'm gonna try to do a fecal.She dropped some large formed clumps when we got home so I have that soaking.I added pictures because I want to hear everything anyones sees right or wrong I need to be seeing.I have never owned a purebred saanen and will being doing lots more research about the breed.I would like advice with what would you do if you were dealing with this goat.Don't say I shouldn't have got her,I ain't taking her back.I made the decision to take her and do my best to help her.And I am going to.Anyway....I think I'm not going to give her any grain/feed today.I know I need to get her insides working better.I have to figure out the best way to do that.I have just about any medicines I might need.I have probiotics,antibiotics,wormers,di-methox,red cell,and a bottle of Bar Vac*CD/Tvaccine.I know I must take it slow and not just go to giving her ramdon doses of this and that.I'm hoping the great experienced folks here can help me go the right way with this girl.I always wanted my own milkgoat(can't afford to just go out and buy a milking goat) but now I have the chance to work hard with this one and maybe in a couple years have one.She is such a sweet girl.Even if she can't be milked she'll make a great pet for my kids.Actually I think she has that covered already.Thanks in advance for all the great tips I know you will all share.I forgot to add,she can with the name,"Sunshine"I just love that name.

 

[20kidsonhill]

I would start with hay, fresh water, and loose goat minerals for the first few days,
then I would do a fecal on her. Well, my advise is for you to do a fecal.
If I brought her home, I would treat her with sulfa-dimethoxine for 5 days, and valbazene for 3 days at the same time. then I would wait a week and treat her with another wormer, like cydectin one time.
after 21 days from the last day of treating her with sulfa-dimethoxine I would repeat the treatments.
I would give her one bo-se shot
and a couple B-complex shots
and probiotics daily

then after about a week of having her I would slowly start adding pelleted goat feed(1/2 cup) and some dried beet pulp(1/4 cup) mixed into the grain. every 3 or 4 days I would increase the amount by a little building her up to 3 cups of grain and 1 cup of dried beet pulp mixed together twice a day. You can add a sprinkle of baking soda or put out a bowel of baking soda for her, this may help with upset stomach from feed changes and medication.

I would continue the probiotics.

Then i would slowly had a little alfalfa hay to her ration of grass hay. Just a handful to start with.

I suspect you are looking at 4 to 6 months for her to put any finish on assuming there isn't perminant damage to her digestion. Also assuming she doesn't have some sort of disease like Johne's or who knows what else.
I am sure she apprectiates your efforts. She is for sure needing some TLC.

 

[lil'turkeyma]

I would start with hay, fresh water, and loose goat minerals for the first few days,
then I would do a fecal on her. Well, my advise is for you to do a fecal.
If I brought her home, I would treat her with sulfa-dimethoxine for 5 days, and valbazene for 3 days at the same time. then I would wait a week and treat her with another wormer, like cydectin one time.
after 21 days from the last day of treating her with sulfa-dimethoxine I would repeat the treatments.
I would give her one bo-se shot
and a couple B-complex shots
and probiotics daily

then after about a week of having her I would slowly start adding pelleted goat feed(1/2 cup) and some dried beet pulp(1/4 cup) mixed into the grain. every 3 or 4 days I would increase the amount by a little building her up to 3 cups of grain and 1 cup of dried beet pulp mixed together twice a day. You can add a sprinkle of baking soda or put out a bowel of baking soda for her, this may help with upset stomach from feed changes and medication.

I would continue the probiotics.

Then i would slowly had a little alfalfa hay to her ration of grass hay. Just a handful to start with.

I suspect you are looking at 4 to 6 months for her to put any finish on assuming there isn't perminant damage to her digestion. Also assuming she doesn't have some sort of disease like Johne's or who knows what else.
I am sure she apprectiates your efforts. She is for sure needing some TLC.

Thanks so much for the reply.I have the di-methox,but no valbazene or cydectin.I have ivemec pour-on and injectable.
I have the B-complex and oral bo-se
I have probiotics.
I also have the goat minerals.
I am feeding her high quailty grass hay with plenty of clean fresh water.I have baking soda,free choice.
I will get some alfalfa hay this week.
I am worried about feeding her too much grain/pellet feed.I understand working up to more slowly but 6 cups a day seems like alot.Not saying thats wrong I just didn't think she would need that much.I will add the beet pulp,too.I usually keep some to add to my older horses feed but I am out right now.

Also,I know they told me she had been covered by a buck several times the past few weeks.She could be bred.I don't want to risk her health for a baby,I wouldn't have bred her in the condition shes in this year,but I would if she gets healthly enough.I want to go easy on the treatments if I can without causing her problems for the sake of a baby.I guess I just want to take slow if I can and try not to overload her and cause a miscarriage that might or might not cause problems.I'm counting on figureing that all out by posting here.

I did a fecal and found what I think are different types of eggs and possibly some type of worm.I don't have enough experience to be completely sure what types I'm seeing.I think I'll make a seperate post with those pictures.There are several pics and I figured it would be easier for folks to just look at them and help me decide what I'm looking at.I hope you'll give your opinion as to what you see in them.

 

[20kidsonhill]

Can't give her Valbazene if she is pregnant.

I am used to ours getting at least that much. But alfalfa hay will also give her increased protein, with out having to give her so much grain. Personally, I feel she will eventually need the grain to put on weight.

A doe in that kind of condition at our farm, would be worked up to all the grain she could eat twice a day. Normally for an adult doe that would be a couple ounds of feed twice a day. A pound of feed is about 3 cups, depending on the pelleted feed you are using. Now if you are refering to a sweat feed or a COB feed that is all grain and not a formulated pelleted ration, then my numbers would be too high for her.

I would ask Roll how much grain she was giving a couple does that whe was trying to put weight on, she has experience with dairy breeds and milking.

And if you do suspect she is pregnant, then I also feel giving 6 cups of grain a day, may be a lot. Not sure how Roll would feed about that. Our pregnant does get around 3 cups of grain(1 lb a day), only grass hay or pasture, and loose minerals. But we have meat goats and too many caloried during a pregnancy will lead to big kids and kidding problems.

Sounds like you are well equiped to take care of her. The ivermectin would be a good start and then redoing the fecal in 7 to 10 days to see if the ivermectin helped.
You mentioned injectable ivermectin. You can give her that orally at the rate of 1 cc per 30lbs. I don't use ivermectin here as an internal wormer, only use it for mites and lice.

Did you check her for lice?

 

[Pearce Pastures]

I hope you won't be upset by this, but if she were here, I would be getting a vet to abort if she has been bred. She is thin and definitely has some parasite issue-she will need months of good care to get healthy and supporting a pregnancy could do further damage.

 

[babsbag]

I hope you won't be upset by this, but if she were here, I would be getting a vet to abort if she has been bred. She is thin and definitely has some parasite issue-she will need months of good care to get healthy and supporting a pregnancy could do further damage.

I was going to say the same thing. It may be the kindest thing you can do for her. But I would do it ASAP. I can't believe they couldn't manage to keep her away from a buck. I know accidents happen, but I think that some people take this breeding goat thing way to casually. I have had oops at my house, but it was just the wrong buck. A doe that I don't want bred is most likely not going to get bred, and if she does, and it is a health issue I would abort the fetus.

 

[kstaven]

Personally I would look at probiotics and worming with Ivomec injectable as a first course. I agree with reducing or eliminating the grain until the rumen has settled. Good alfalfa based hay, clean water, and a good mineral supplement for now as feed.

The problem you potentially face when using a whack of antibiotics off the mark is they will further upset the balance of the rumen. Thus she will not metabolize food the way she should. Probiotics would help counter some of the effect but she really needs to get her weight up as quickly as possible.

 

[HappyFamilyFarm]

I know you have gotten a lot of advice. One more thing you might want to try is drenching her with baking soda and water. Whenever one of our goats seem to have a problem with there stomach we drench them with a thick mixture for about 3 days and they are normally cleared up and back to normal poop. Just a suggestion. It works for our Dairy goats.