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Silver Fox Crossing/colors

Discussion in 'Breeds and Breeding - Rabbits' started by Spring Flower, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. Apr 25, 2019
    Spring Flower

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    Hello everyone.
    I have only breed BB twice both times they were all black. (She is a silver fox)
    I was wondering if it is possible for her the throw other colors? Its kinda a stupid question but so far she has had 14 babies total and they all were black.

    She was being bred to a satin/NZ. This time a black and white Dutch. Could she throw Dutch? Or other colors?

    Sorry I don't know anything about genetics.Thank you.
     
  2. Apr 25, 2019
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    A purebred Black Silver Fox might have genes for dilute or chocolate, which could result in kits of those colors if the rabbit she is bred to also has those genes.

    Dutch is another case. Good Dutch markings require two copies of the gene for Dutch, plus a lot of luck. With one copy (coming just from the father, not the mother in this case), you will probably get some white markings, but they likely won't be the full-on Dutch pattern.
     
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    Okay thanks.
     
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    It all depends on what colors BB has in her lineage...if she has dilute colors (chocolate/blue/lilac) then she will most likely throw those colors when bred to a buck who also carries dilute colors in his genes.
    I have a black buck with pretty much no dilute colors in his pedigree and I bred him to my broken black who also just comes out of blacks/broken blacks...she had a litter of blue babies...no blacks!
     
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    Ummmm . . . in rabbits, Chocolate is not a dilute color.:hu Chocolate happens on the B locus, Dilute on the D locus - totally separate. Opal, Blue, Squirrel, Smoke Pearl, Lynx; all require two copies of the dilute gene (dd), and are therefore dilute colors.

    With mixed-breed rabbits, it can be nearly impossible to be sure about which recessive genes may be lurking. With purebreds, you are usually restricted to the genes responsible for the colors the breed shows in, plus maybe a few that people may be working on getting included as showable colors. I say "usually," because people do outcrosses to other breeds for a variety of reasons, and recessives that get picked up that way can hide for generations before just the right parents provide the combination of genes to show them off. For example: I bought a pedigreed Harlequin from a well-respected Harlequin breeder a number of years ago. She was a very nice rabbit, and passed on a lot of good traits, so I kept a lot of her offspring in my breeding program. A few years later, I had some Ruby-eyed Whites show up in one of my Harlequin nest boxes! I checked the parents' pedigrees, and sure enough, this rabbit appeared on both pedigrees (once as a grandparent, and once as a great-grand, if I remember correctly). Some time later, I mentioned them in a conversation I was having with the breeder, and she asked me, "does she have (a particular buck) on her pedigree?" She did. That rabbit had come from a breeder who also bred New Zealand Whites, and they had done some outcrosses to improve the type on their Harlies (which is something most Harlequins desperately need). While the outcross was far enough back not to appear on the pedigree, the REW gene had been passed on to that buck, then through to my doe, and her offspring, for something like 7 generations, before the right rabbits got bred together and both passed it to some of the same babies.

    Dutch show in several colors, but there are some (like "Gray," which is the Dutch version of Chestnut Agouti) that require genes that your rabbit probably doesn't have. He could be carrying a single copy of the recessives that create Blue, Chocolate and Tortoise, but since the Silver Fox shouldn't be carrying the non-extension gene (which is what turns a Black into a Tortoise), you are probably limited to Blue, Chocolate and Lilac as being colors that might turn up, with Blue the most likely, and Lilac the least.
     
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    Okay thanks a bunch!
    I was just hoping for some more color.

    On a different note.
    It might be hard to tell because they are so young but I was wondering what color this baby is. Both parents are Dutch. One is the black and white buck and the other is like a Fawn and white.
    First picture is the one In question and the second is for comparison in darkness of color. They are from the same litter.
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    Looks like a Blue.:)
     
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    It's a blue :)
     
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    Oh yay! Ok sorry another color question
    WHAT IS THIS!? I have never had any like this before. Almost the whole litter is like this. IMG_20190427_091024718_BURST000_COVER_TOP.jpg
     
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    Looks like a Tort/Tortoise/Tortoise shell (take your pick; different breeds call it different names, but it's the same color).
     
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