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Spanish mastiff's for guardian dogs

Discussion in 'Livestock Guardians' started by TAH, May 24, 2016.

  1. Nov 25, 2016
    TAH

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    That is something I hadn't considered. We will have to see what is best when we are ready. Dad said once we have the trailer out on he property we can start looking into what litter we want. He also wants to go with Joycelyns litter.
     
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    Goat Whisperer

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    Wow, glad they retired Brisa. Looks like they really pushed her...
    Brisa welped on all these dates. These are on the webpage, who knows how many times she welped before then....
    2/10/14
    9/20/14
    3/29/15
    10/4/15

    Read up on EPI and I personally would make sure all parent stock is tested. IMO anyone who is breeding SM's should be testing for this! These pups aren't cheap and the test is reasonable. There is a limited gene-pool of the SM's so this should be watched closely.
    http://www.lgdnevada.com/patron-and-epi.html
     
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    TAH

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    Thank GW I will read up on.
     
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    Yeah, that is disturbing IMO- 4 litters in 2 years.

    I see this sometimes with pyr "breeders" their dogs are so worn out and aged so badly they don't live long. Very sad.
    That is what we call a mill.

    Sometimes if a newer line comes in, a breeder will breed back to back for 2 years and "retire" the dog... so it isn't always a mill. Which you may see more in rarer breeds.Just be careful.
    No reason to ever do this with a common breed like a Pyr.
     
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    Bruce

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    @TAH I don't think you have a choice! If you don't have a reservation in now for one of Jocelyn's pups, they might already be spoken for. Unlikely you can wait until they are born.

    @Southern by choice Me too. 2 litters a year? They think the dog is a machine? Quite sad.
     
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    If you can't get a reserve in now, that's okay. I wouldn't rush into it because they might be sold out soon. Take your time, talk to breeders, make sure they have the appropriate health testing, find someone that will walk you through. They obviously breed a lot, they will have more pups. They also aren't the only breeders either.
     
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    Like I said, I don't have a lot of experience with the breed and this particular dog is quite the mixture - greatest part is SM, but he is also part GP, Maremma, Polish Tatra.

    He is a failed LGD since he has injured several sheep. His prey drive is too high, although he can go long stretches where he seems to have "grown up", but given the opportunity, he will eventually start chewing on someone.

    I do wonder if he has some Border Collie in him as well because of his high prey drive. He, although a big dog, is much smaller than his breeder estimated his size to be. She's done this cross before (possibly with the same parents) so she should have data on the cross. There was one puppy in the litter that was a BC cross (a litter can have multiple sires).
     
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    TAH

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    @Bruce I don't want to put a reservation down right now. Who knows if we will be ready for a pup next spring that is why I am waiting till the trailer is to the property and we can start getting prepared.

    That is what my dad says.
     
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    And why the heck didn't the breeder DNA them?!?!?! That is just wrong. If they knew there were different sires they should have owed up for their mistakes and pay the $ to DNA them. All that stress on you and the stockā€¦ :hit :somad :he
     
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    Bruce

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    I guess I misunderstood since you said you were going for a pup from their early 2017 litter. Sounded like your decision was pretty much already made.