The journey into the abyss of no return

[Weldman]

That's odd, we get about 13 inches of rain a year, there is 640 acres in a square mile, they are proposing a AI data center in Broadview, MT which is 175 miles away from here.
The said center will cover 5k acres and I'm sure around quarter of a million gallons of water to several million gallons of water a day. To top it off I get to pay for it through subsidized taxation. They are popping up faster than this country can whackamole.
https://www.ktvq.com/news/local-news/proposed-ai-data-center-sparks-debate-in-rural-montana

 

[fuzzi]

That's odd, we get about 13 inches of rain a year, there is 640 acres in a square mile, they are proposing a AI data center in Broadview, MT which is 175 miles away from here.
The said center will cover 5k acres and I'm sure around quarter of a million gallons of water to several million gallons of water a day. To top it off I get to pay for it through subsidized taxation. They are popping up faster than this country can whackamole.
https://www.ktvq.com/news/local-news/proposed-ai-data-center-sparks-debate-in-rural-montana

It will take all the water and electricity, drive up the rates, and not profit the citizens one iota. Bureaucratic boondoggle.

 

[Alaskan]

That's odd, we get about 13 inches of rain a year, there is 640 acres in a square mile, they are proposing a AI data center in Broadview, MT which is 175 miles away from here.
The said center will cover 5k acres and I'm sure around quarter of a million gallons of water to several million gallons of water a day. To top it off I get to pay for it through subsidized taxation. They are popping up faster than this country can whackamole.
https://www.ktvq.com/news/local-news/proposed-ai-data-center-sparks-debate-in-rural-montana

How can an AI data center take up that much space?

 

[rachels.haven]

That's odd, we get about 13 inches of rain a year, there is 640 acres in a square mile, they are proposing a AI data center in Broadview, MT which is 175 miles away from here.
The said center will cover 5k acres and I'm sure around quarter of a million gallons of water to several million gallons of water a day. To top it off I get to pay for it through subsidized taxation. They are popping up faster than this country can whackamole.
https://www.ktvq.com/news/local-news/proposed-ai-data-center-sparks-debate-in-rural-montana

That is bad-very, very bad. We have several around us and now we get $900+/month electric bills if we have weeks under 25 degrees, and my house is a shoebox without much to heat. People can't afford their electric (and supposedly water) bills and the utility companies want to supply the data centers and not the people who were here first and are actually people, but only rich people have a voice here in this. I hope they fail out by you and everywhere if possible. (they've also been taking people's farm land and cutting fences to install new power lines JUST for the data centers and going after farmers who get in their way but that's a whole other can of worms)

 

[Weldman]

That is bad-very, very bad. We have several around us and now we get $900+/month electric bills if we have weeks under 25 degrees, and my house is a shoebox without much to heat. People can't afford their electric (and supposedly water) bills and the utility companies want to supply the data centers and not the people who were here first and are actually people, but only rich people have a voice here in this. I hope they fail out by you and everywhere if possible. (they've also been taking people's farm land and cutting fences to install new power lines JUST for the data centers and going after farmers who get in their way but that's a whole other can of worms)

We already have a wind farm here that is selling power to Washington state, locals get none of it. They plan on extending that wind farm as there isn't enough for Washington state. They put in new transmission lines to Colstrip MT, but after that it was existing infrastructure to do as such. Washington state power company bought the coal power company, shut down all but one unit and running all wind power through it.
Always said there would be a bit coin center nearby due to the amount of power around and the fact they shuttered the place, didn't expect an AI data center. They are rolling those out faster than wind farms and bit coin mining combined.

How can an AI data center take up that much space?

All the servers and the cooling towers, mostly cooling towers. They are targeting this state and North Dakota for vast empty land, cheaper land and the climate is cool so it will save them tons of money.

 

[drstratton]

We already have a wind farm here that is selling power to Washington state, locals get none of it. They plan on extending that wind farm as there isn't enough for Washington state. They put in new transmission lines to Colstrip MT, but after that it was existing infrastructure to do as such. Washington state power company bought the coal power company, shut down all but one unit and running all wind power through it.
Always said there would be a bit coin center nearby due to the amount of power around and the fact they shuttered the place, didn't expect an AI data center. They are rolling those out faster than wind farms and bit coin mining combined.

All the servers and the cooling towers, mostly cooling towers. They are targeting this state and North Dakota for vast empty land, cheaper land and the climate is cool so it will save them tons of money.

It's all screwed up. Washington state sells the power they make to CA. We have wind farms here, that usurp the power produced by the dams. Because someone (the minority that stupidly want to remove the dams) have determined that hydro is not renewable energy and wind is. The wind farms don't produce anywhere near the same capacity and it's way more expensive than hydro.

 

[Weldman]

It's all screwed up. Washington state sells the power they make to CA. We have wind farms here, that usurp the power produced by the dams. Because someone (the minority that stupidly want to remove the dams) have determined that hydro is not renewable energy and wind is. The wind farms don't produce anywhere near the same capacity and it's way more expensive than hydro.

Oh I do know that, not to mention life span of a wind turbine versus hydro power. Little secret, there is generators in each of the wind turbines to balance the power coming in, deice the blades, keep hydraulic systems flowing and keep the electronics happy.
Funny how no one is protesting climate change now we need AI data centers and such...

 

[drstratton]

Oh I do know that, not to mention life span of a wind turbine versus hydro power. Little secret, there is generators in each of the wind turbines to balance the power coming in, deice the blades, keep hydraulic systems flowing and keep the electronics happy.
Funny how no one is protesting climate change now we need AI data centers and such...

Not to mention, that when the wind turbines need replacing, they will never break down, they bury them and there they stay forever. Hubs is a retired dam electrical foreman, worked hydro for over 35 years. We've seen it all first hand. So much stupid in this world. And they ruin the landscape. Miles and miles of them.

 

[Weldman]

Not to mention, that when the wind turbines need replacing, they will never break down, they bury them and there they stay forever. Hubs is a retired dam electrical foreman, worked hydro for over 35 years. We've seen it all first hand. So much stupid in this world. And they ruin the landscape. Miles and miles of them.

Worked two weeks and it was enough to be disgusting.

 

[murphysranch]

The gal who is the Super of the Clark County Canning dept at the Fair, is a former electrician for years and years. DrS: you are abolutely spot on. Its the same as what she said, when she was building them, working at Hanford, and more industrial sites.