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Ok, so Busty is my goat that had the triplets. They are the ones that have not been, quite as spunky as the twins born to Stormy. I was wondering if it was because there were three, etc. I put a thread on here. I asked the vet yesterday. She said to make sure they are trying grain and eating hay, that they should be mimicing mom. She said they looked healthy, and perhaps it’s just a laid back nature. Last night we gave Busty some nutridrench to help with the nursing. Well, this morning Busty was not a happy girl. I’ve noticed that her udder is much much bigger than Stormy’s, but, I just thought it was keeping up with three. I coaxed her on the stand...no one loves it. I couldn’t get any milk and was concerned about mastitis. Called Chris. His Mom grew up on a dairy farm, and he has lots of experience milking. He did not love anything to do with farming growing up. Anyways...she doesn’t have mastitis...thank goodness, but needed milked badly...and, I needed taught big time! So, I learned a bit, I’m not great but I suppose I have to learn fast. Busty is apparently not nursing the kids. I don’t know why...I don’t know when it stopped...but, after I got her off the stand, they came running over...they smelled her milk. She pushed them away. I held her as hard as I could, many times...she’s a big goat...she’s a mix. She wouldn’t nurse. I put them in the kidding stall...same thing..I was afraid she’d hurt them...she was pawing at the ground. Her milk is not fowl...Chris tasted it...no bad smell..no chunks. I’m sure she hurts. I got enough milk out to relieve pressure, but, she and I, both had enough of the stand for then. I was leaning hard into her side...my head into her cavity...she kept kicking the bowl. I looked on the Net for a bucket, and came across a set of hobbles...to keep her legs still...anyone ever use them? I think I would like to get them. They look pretty sturdy, and will keep her from kicking. I lost a lot of milk. When she was on the stand we tried to put her kid by her nipple to drink....she hated that...and he just kept getting sprayed in the nose. Not sure why he didn’t want to latch on. I’m thinking Stormy has been nursing them all? So......how often do I need to feed these three guys? Is it possible to get away with twice from me? I know that sounds horrible, but, I would really like Busty to start nursing!! Any tips?? Has anyone had this happen? She’s such an awesome goat...I can’t imagine she would just snub them for no reason? Ok, I can’t think of more questions right this second...if anyone he’s tips, ideas..please, feel free to tell me what to do...lol...thanks again everyone!!
 

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Ok, so Busty is my goat that had the triplets. They are the ones that have not been, quite as spunky as the twins born to Stormy. I was wondering if it was because there were three, etc. I put a thread on here. I asked the vet yesterday. She said to make sure they are trying grain and eating hay, that they should be mimicing mom. She said they looked healthy, and perhaps it’s just a laid back nature. Last night we gave Busty some nutridrench to help with the nursing. Well, this morning Busty was not a happy girl. I’ve noticed that her udder is much much bigger than Stormy’s, but, I just thought it was keeping up with three. I coaxed her on the stand...no one loves it. I couldn’t get any milk and was concerned about mastitis. Called Chris. His Mom grew up on a dairy farm, and he has lots of experience milking. He did not love anything to do with farming growing up. Anyways...she doesn’t have mastitis...thank goodness, but needed milked badly...and, I needed taught big time! So, I learned a bit, I’m not great but I suppose I have to learn fast. Busty is apparently not nursing the kids. I don’t know why...I don’t know when it stopped...but, after I got her off the stand, they came running over...they smelled her milk. She pushed them away. I held her as hard as I could, many times...she’s a big goat...she’s a mix. She wouldn’t nurse. I put them in the kidding stall...same thing..I was afraid she’d hurt them...she was pawing at the ground. Her milk is not fowl...Chris tasted it...no bad smell..no chunks. I’m sure she hurts. I got enough milk out to relieve pressure, but, she and I, both had enough of the stand for then. I was leaning hard into her side...my head into her cavity...she kept kicking the bowl. I looked on the Net for a bucket, and came across a set of hobbles...to keep her legs still...anyone ever use them? I think I would like to get them. They look pretty sturdy, and will keep her from kicking. I lost a lot of milk. When she was on the stand we tried to put her kid by her nipple to drink....she hated that...and he just kept getting sprayed in the nose. Not sure why he didn’t want to latch on. I’m thinking Stormy has been nursing them all? So......how often do I need to feed these three guys? Is it possible to get away with twice from me? I know that sounds horrible, but, I would really like Busty to start nursing!! Any tips?? Has anyone had this happen? She’s such an awesome goat...I can’t imagine she would just snub them for no reason? Ok, I can’t think of more questions right this second...if anyone he’s tips, ideas..please, feel free to tell me what to do...lol...thanks again everyone!!
I’m thinking now, perhaps Busty is shunning her brood because Stormy is sooo very overprotective of them all? She even crawls in the ‘box’ Chris made for the babies. It’s a bit bigger than a blue barrel. All 5 kids go in...and so does Stormy. And, she’ll also just kneel in front and watch them. I just looked up on the regular internet what to about when a mom doesn’t nurse. A bunch of posts said to lock up the mom and kids. We could put plywood over the kidding stall....we could also try to hold Busty and force her to nurse...but that would definitely take two.
 

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So I had issues from my one doe. She was all over them at birth but the next day wouldn't let them nurse at all. I made sure she wasn't plugged then penned her against the wall and let the kids nurse. I had to do this a few times a day for maybe 3 days. She was penned up with her babies during the day and she'd run from them. But finally she got to where she'd yell for her kids to come nurse.
 

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Ok...we just had her on the milk stand. We milked her a bit first because we knew she was too painful. Then we tried one. No go. My hubby looked like he wanted to quit but I was wrong. He grabbed the next and she went to town. I had Busty pinned hard, with my back against her side to the wall, and holding her leg. Chris was guiding the kid. We kept at it. Busty is a fighter. She got better on the third kid...I think the pressure was down. We’re going back out at 7:30. He’s real thrilled...lol. I think...like you, hopefully, after a few days, she’ll be ok. Plus, I really think, Stormy is interfering too. She was back in the box with all 5 when we went out to do the nursing. So, if we can’t get things going in a few days, we’ll close in the kidding stall with Busty and her kids...and keep close tabs. I really had noooo idea all the factors that go into raising goats. I absolutely love it and would recommend it to everyone with a passion for farm life!
 

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You need to have her and her kids in a separate stall and you need a stanchion for holding her for the kids to nurse so you won't wear yourself out. Very easy to make a hobble with a simple length of serpentine rope. Stanchion and hobble, monitor the feedings and assist with latching.

I really had noooo idea all the factors that go into raising goats. I absolutely love it and would recommend it to everyone with a passion for farm life!
You must really love drama, girl. :gig
 

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You need to have her and her kids in a separate stall and you need a stanchion for holding her for the kids to nurse so you won't wear yourself out. Very easy to make a hobble with a simple length of serpentine rope. Stanchion and hobble, monitor the feedings and assist with latching.



You must really love drama, girl. :gig
HATE drama. Just love these babies when I see them nurse!!! :weeeI have the milk stand. Isn’t that the same as a stansion? I was looking at a set of hobbles on line. So I can just make it. Ok. Just rope won’t hurt her? Ok. This sounds sooo much better than what we just did. And you are sooo right about wearing myself out!!! Ok...I just looked it up... we have a milk stand... you just used the word stanchion and I wasn’t as familiar. I had to still pin her against the wall while in it because she is so painful at first and resisting. But I think tomorrow we will put her in the stall with the kids. Only issue. The milk stand doesn’t go in the stall I have built. Please don’t tell me I have to build another kidding stall? I suppose we can. Just not what I would prefer. Ugh Thanks :)
 
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HATE drama. Just love these babies when I see them nurse!!! :weeeI have the milk stand. Isn’t that the same as a stansion? I was looking at a set of hobbles on line. So I can just make it. Ok. Just rope won’t hurt her? Ok. This sounds sooo much better than what we just did. And you are sooo right about wearing myself out!!! Ok...I just looked it up... we have a milk stand... you just used the word stanchion and I wasn’t as familiar. I had to still pin her against the wall while in it because she is so painful at first and resisting. But I think tomorrow we will put her in the stall with the kids. Only issue. The milk stand doesn’t go in the stall I have built. Please don’t tell me I have to build another kidding stall? I suppose we can. Just not what I would prefer. Ugh Thanks :)
No, the ropes won't hurt her a bit if you tie them so they don't cinch down on her legs if she kicks. They just need to be in loops around her legs that limits her leg movements.

A stanchion is just a head gate, but doesn't have to be built onto a stand. You can build a simple free standing stanchion for such things or even build a temp one on the side of an existing stall. Anything that will pin her head into place and can be easily latched and released again can suffice as a stanchion....some people even improvise one out on pasture with T posts and such.

Basically consists of one vertical board, spacing big enough for their neck, another vertical board that can swing to one side at the top so as to allow the insertion of their head, then fastened back to the other vertical board at the top so she can't back her head out of it. Easy to build, especially if you already have stalls or pens where the goats can stick their head through the boards.

 
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Hopefully she lets them nurse soon! Are those the kids that were disbudded? She could be upset about that and the smell.
 

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No, the ropes won't hurt her a bit if you tie them so they don't cinch down on her legs if she kicks. They just need to be in loops around her legs that limits her leg movements.

A stanchion is just a head gate, but doesn't have to be built onto a stand. You can build a simple free standing stanchion for such things or even build a temp one on the side of an existing stall. Anything that will pin her head into place and can be easily latched and released again can suffice as a stanchion....some people even improvise one out on pasture with T posts and such.

Basically consists of one vertical board, spacing big enough for their neck, another vertical board that can swing to one side at the top so as to allow the insertion of their head, then fastened back to the other vertical board at the top so she can't back her head out of it. Easy to build, especially if you already have stalls or pens where the goats can stick their head through the boards.

Ok....what we did tonight was, put her on the milk stand, then put them all in the closed up stall for the night. They seem to prefer one nipple, but Chris is milking both sides. He can even hit the barn wall...:lol: ridiculous men. But, it’s definitely clogged up when we start. Takes awhile to get it moving. But the milk is yummy. Nipples are engorging but not enslaved, etc. just need nursed. So, I think they get clogged from the pressure build up? Perhaps they prefer the one side because that’s the way we have her against the wall? We just can’t be sure. We’re going to keep doing this routine and see if having her milk in their bellies changes their poop smell. I read that once she smells her milk in their poop she’s let them nurse and she won’t let it get it to a point of being so uncomfortable. One plus....when we went out tonight...Busty was pushing away Stormy’s kids. Before she didn’t want anyone around. She didn’t let hers nurse...but let them by her. That’s progress, i
l take it! :) Oh, we tried the rope...it didn’t work..I think I have to google how to do it...it slipped off and she stepped out...but I’m on it! Thanks for the tips!
 
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Hopefully she lets them nurse soon! Are those the kids that were disbudded? She could be upset about that and the smell.
Yes, they were disbudded...never thought of that? Geez...good point! Well, that should get better soon...I hope? They look just pitiful! It’s sooo sad! We don’t have names yet, I said maybe we should name a boy Caesar. :( Oh, I also read putting some sugar on their back might help? Ever hear of that?
 
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