1. BYH Official Poll: What are the things that you should consider before buying herds?
    CLICK HERE!
    (if you are logged in, this notice can be dismissed using the "x" to the top right of the notice)

    Dismiss Notice
  2. Help! My Rabbit just had babies - Discussion thread.
    CLICK HERE!
    (if you are logged in, this notice can be dismissed using the "x" to the top right of the notice)

    Dismiss Notice
  3. Dismiss Notice
  4. BYH Picture of the Week (POW) - Submit your Pics Now !!
    Click HERE!
    (if you are logged in, this notice can be dismissed using the "x" to the top right of the notice)
    Dismiss Notice

When can I put doelings with buck?

Discussion in 'Birthing, Weaning, and Raising Young Goats' started by Kimberley, Aug 3, 2018.

  1. Aug 3, 2018
    Kimberley

    Kimberley Exploring the pasture

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2018
    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    11
    Location:
    Anderson, CA
    My doe had twin girls 5 weeks ago. As soon as she started to kid I put her in the barn and she has been separated ever since. The buck is not the baby daddy and we eventually want to breed the 2 doelings with him but I obviously don’t want him mounting them quite yet as they are very small. When can I put them all together again? Or do I have to put him somewhere else by himself until the girls are ready to be bred?
     
  2. Aug 3, 2018
    Goatgirl47

    Goatgirl47 True BYH Addict

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2015
    Messages:
    1,147
    Likes Received:
    1,003
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Louisiana
    Most people say 8 months or 80 pounds (for a standard sized breed). I generally like to wait until 10 or 12 months of age, even if they are already over 80 pounds, but it depends on the individual goat. What breed(s) are your girls?
     
  3. Aug 3, 2018
    Latestarter

    Latestarter Novice; "Practicing" Animal Husbandry Golden Herd Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2014
    Messages:
    9,391
    Likes Received:
    10,838
    Trophy Points:
    543
    Location:
    NE Texas
    You didn't mention breed. Some are year round breeders and others are primarily fall breeders. Most goats (M&F) are "capable" by 2-3 months of age but most does are NOT old enough/big enough to have kids when they first come into heat. That will make absolutely no difference to a buck... if they come into heat, he WILL breed them. If you want planned breeding with known expected birthing dates, then you need to keep those girls separated from the buck until YOU want them pregnant. Additionally, once a doe has kidded, it's generally not a good idea to breed her back immediately. She's going to need time to nurse the kid(s) and wean (3-4 months) them then regain body condition before being rebred.
     
  4. Aug 3, 2018
    Kimberley

    Kimberley Exploring the pasture

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2018
    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    11
    Location:
    Anderson, CA
    You all have confirmed my fears. I think it will be less stressful if I just sell my buck. He’s kind of a jerk any way. sorry I forgot to mention the breed in my original post. They are all Nigerian dwarfs.
     
    Goatgirl47 likes this.
  5. Aug 3, 2018
    Southern by choice

    Southern by choice Herd Master Golden Herd Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2012
    Messages:
    12,357
    Likes Received:
    11,942
    Trophy Points:
    603
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Nigerian Dwarves should be housed separately by sex. They are year round breeders and it is irresponsible to keep bucks in with does. Doelings can cycle between 9-12 weeks. Bucklings are fertile and can extend by 8 weeks. Weight is not a good test of whether a doe should be bred.
    The overall structure of the doe is important. Hip width, body capacity and weight should all be considerations as well as kidding history of dam and family.
    When keeping bucks they should have their own area, own shelter, and companion. I prefer intact bucks be with intact bucks. I personally do not like wethers and bucks together. Having 2 unrelated bucks allows you to retain and breed to other buck etc. Pen/hand breeding is also the best way to determine excat due dates. No guessing, no wondering who the daddy is etc.
     
    Hipshot, Goatgirl47 and Kimberley like this.
  6. Aug 9, 2018 at 10:15 PM
    Hipshot

    Hipshot Loving the herd life

    Joined:
    May 6, 2017
    Messages:
    142
    Likes Received:
    182
    Trophy Points:
    123
    Hold on now !!You can bred the doe to him before you sell him . It just depends if your resting your doe and only allow her to kid once a year .most large production for meat farms don't practice this . Backyard herders do because most are more attached to their animals . When I was young we never took away the buck . They kidded and bred at will. It never seemed to be a problem . Of course back then a goat was worth $15 . I looking at unregistered Boer does for $200.:ep Up to you If your doe was in good shape at kidding and is in good shape when she comes in heat in about eight weeks I would bred her . But here is the fly in the ointment . She has to make enough milk for her nursing kid or kids And supply nutrition to the growing fetus /fetuses. All the while maintaining her own fiscal condition . This is where being a good flock master is so important because you and only you can make that call . Because only you know the condition of the animal in your charge. It's really hard for a meat producer, that is trying to build up a herd at todays prices. Most can't afford to allow a doe to skip a kidding . I bred my does back after weaning so far they look fine . Sounds like you'll do a good job which ever way you go.
     
  7. Aug 9, 2018 at 11:24 PM
    Southern by choice

    Southern by choice Herd Master Golden Herd Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2012
    Messages:
    12,357
    Likes Received:
    11,942
    Trophy Points:
    603
    Location:
    North Carolina
    You cannot do that with Nigerian Dwarfs. Nigerian dwarf doelings cycle at 9-12 weeks and bucklings can breed at 8. They are also year round breeders and not seasonal.
    Dairy goats are primarily for milk meaning they kid and you milk for 10 months. Meat animals are different yet at the same time far too many tax their goats to death. Literally, death, because they get too run down and nutritionally deficient kidding over and over. Sadly this is why you don't see much longevity in breeding stock of meatgoats. Prolapses, inability to nurse or even to kid twins/triplets, low wean weights etc.
    This is an 8 week old Nigerian dwarf kid... no way any responsible breeder would leave bucks run with the does. Notice her size in comparison to the chicken.
    IMG_5518.JPG

    Our Kikos have been run together and separate. They are meatgoats and quite different altogether. Even when run together they still only kidded 1x year. However triplets with high wean weights is not uncommon. Selling for meat market this is optimal. Nigerians, which is what the poster has does not fall into the meatgoat category.
     
    Goatgirl47 and Mike CHS like this.
  8. Aug 11, 2018 at 4:44 PM
    Goatgirl47

    Goatgirl47 True BYH Addict

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2015
    Messages:
    1,147
    Likes Received:
    1,003
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Louisiana
    I absolutely agree with not keeping your dairy goats (and even in most cases meat goats as well) with your buck year round.
    But I'm curious, when you said you used to run your Kiko buck with your Kiko does, what were the ages of the does? Did you keep younger doelings together with him out of season?