abscess

[cmjust0]

Did you seperate him after lancing it? If not, I would...and vaccinate those does. If he were here, he'd be quarantined until I could get him sold...which would be ASAP.

CL can live in the soil for a long, long time, especially in the housing areas where it's not exposed to the weather. We're talking years. If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure I read (in The Goatkeeper's Veterinary Book, 4th Ed.) that open ground which has been fallowed for two years after containing goats can pretty much be considered "clean" for a new herd.

 

[txgoatfarmer]

Yes he is seperated actually in the back yard so I can keep a eye on him and he isn't where goats are going to be. He is going to be kept away from the other goats until I can get rid of him. He has never had a abscess before so I don't think its on my property. Can dog get cl?

Is it safe to give goats case bac because I've read it can make the goats leg swell and causes pain and does nothing.
And if it is safe is it alright to give to pregnant goats?

 

[cmjust0]

You've probably read some really scathing reviews of Case-Bac by a lady named Suzanne Gasparotto, from Tennessee Meat Goats.. I've never met the woman, but -- as far as I'm concerned -- she was so prolific about telling anyone and everyone NOT to use Case-Bac and about all the bad things it would do (though she'd never done it) that she's a BIG reason why there's still so much CL in the US goat herd.

My opinion, of course...

Ironically, after a whole lot of people got brave, brushed her dire warnings aside, and actually started using Case-Bac, they discovered that Suzanne Gasparotto was WRONG, and that it not only doesn't generally cause much in the way of horrific reactions and gigantic sterile abscesses, but it actually works at preventing CL.

Suzanne Gasparotto has since done a complete 180* on her stance against Case-Bac, and now uses it..

Well...actually...she not only uses it, but if you go read her webpage on Case-Bac, she seems to fancy herself an expert at using it now.. Right down to dosages, injection sites, duration of time between initial shot and booster, etc..

If you ask me...which you didn't ...she was dead set against Case-Bac because she was scared to death, and she already had CL in her herd. If other people were successful in eradicating it from their herds, she'd be screwed and she knew it..

But, again...all just opinions.

I've got two vials in my fridge that I ordered forever ago.. Just never got around to doing it. I will, though, and soon. I'm convinced it works, and I'm not terribly concerned about all the supposedly wicked-nasty side effects or anything like that.

 

[Roll farms]

It DOES work, and I've not seen a reaction to it yet, at least nothing worse than the occasional 'regular' reactions to CDT.

You will notice, if you do have any undiagnosed CL does, that there will seem to be an 'outbreak' of abscesses once they've been given the vaccine....it didn't 'cause' it, it just makes the does w/ CL seem to get one out of nowhere.

Don't get me started on SG, CM....she's a fruit bat. A lot of people swear by her, and she does know a lot....but she's got a big God complex and won't ever even consider she might not know everything.

I mean, come on....everyone calls Myotonics, 'faintin' goats'....but she'll BAN you from her yahoo group if you do it.
She edits anyone's posts who've had an intelligent argument against one of her "points" to make them look wrong, and to me that's just dirty.

I'll quit now, but....that woman just rubs me the wrong-est way.

 

[ksalvagno]

I would send the pus either to your state lab or try Pan American Veterinary Labs. Here is the link http://pavlab.com/

I would get that pus tested asap. If it isn't CL then you may be getting rid of a goat that you don't need to. I'm not trying to make CL sound like nothing because it is very serious but if this is just from a shot or something, then there is nothing to fear.

 

[txgoatfarmer]

what are the chances of it not being cl? And if I do send it in do I send blood in?

 

[Roll farms]

I had our vet draw the samples....it was just easier that way. Sorry, can't help you w/ that one.

 

[ksalvagno]

You should be able to send in the pus. If you didn't keep the pus, then you can send in blood. Pan Am needs 1cc of blood per test. The state lab probably will test the pus. I know in Ohio that the state lab will only test the pus for CL.

I guess you will have to decide if it is worth it to keep him around long enough to get test results back or not. I had blood drawn on a Tuesday and had the results on Friday afternoon. I overnighted the blood to Pan Am. I did have the vet draw the blood.

 

[cmjust0]

what are the chances of it not being cl?

Interesting question...

With the abscess site not being in one of the more commonly seen CL abscess locations, I'd say the chances of it not being CL are at least good enough to warrant a test.

What I mean is, if that knot were under the ear or down on the front of the chest, I think you could make the clinical diagnosis of CL based on presentation alone.

That said, when I ask myself what would surprise me more -- a positive or negative test result - my gut says a negative would be more surprising.

 

[cmjust0]

I just noticed that nobody asked what may well be the single most important question right now...can't believe we didn't ask this right off the bat, but:

What did the pus look like? I'm talking color, consistency, etc.. Did it run out, or did you have to squeeze it out? Was it liquid, semi liquid, pasty...? What color was it?