CL & Raw Milk?

[Straw Hat Kikos]

I would too. There are MANY people that have CL in even their dairy herds and don't know it and some even do. I'm not a believer that CL will hurt humans and I know ALOT about CL (I have done many, many hours of research about it and know more than most people) and I myself do not feel that CL is bad. It really does nothing to the goat except a lump every now and than. Does cause pain or issue bla bla bla. But if it were to go Internal or the goat had more than one at a time or they were often then I would strongly suggest to get rid of the goat in the form of culling. But till then, I say keep on keeping on.

I feel that a lot of people unknowingly lump it into the same category as CAE. Now that is something I am serious about. If I had a goat with it, and it was one I absolutely had to keep for attachment reasons, she would simply not be bred. If it was a buck, sorry, you've got to go.

That is why I wanted some serious proof about milk transmission. It's easy for anyone to say "can". I want someone (preferably a vet, researcher, PhD, etc) to say "Yes, it has in these cases."

Plus, I'm sure if we saw some of the animals' lumps and bumps that end up in our food chain, we'd think CL was pretty minor.

Yes! I say the same all the time. People do NOT know what they are talking about and think they are both bad and as you said lump (no pun intended) them together. CAE is bad! I would never keep a CAE+ goat. I would not. CL+? Sure, not a big deal.

bte CEA is transmitter thru ALL, or has the potential to, be transmitted thru all body fluids, not just milk like most believe.

 

[Pearce Pastures]

You probably won't have an issue with CL milk transmission which is what vets and researchers alike say. But it is not silly or foolish that people don't want to drink milk from a CL+ animal or pasteurize their milk (and I just plain don't want to deal with CL in my herd).

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

You probably won't have an issue with CL milk transmission which is what vets and researchers alike say. But it is not silly or foolish that people don't want to drink milk from a CL+ animal or pasteurize their milk (and I just plain don't want to deal with CL in my herd).

I'm not saying it silly or foolish, just that I myself don't think it's a big deal and that I wouldn't fret over it.

 

[Pearce Pastures]

Oh, no I totally agree about not fretting over it and I didn't think you all were saying it was silly. Just don't want it to be a criticism thing when people, like me, decide we would rather not drink it raw or at all or keep a CL+ animals. It is just one of those things where what is right for one is not right for another and both choices are just as educated and sensible.

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

Oh, no I totally agree about not fretting over it and I didn't think you all were saying it was silly. Just don't want it to be a criticism thing when people, like me, decide we would rather not drink it raw or at all or keep a CL+ animals. It is just one of those things where what is right for one is not right for another and both choices are just as educated and sensible.

Absolutely

 

[Ann114]

Oh, no I totally agree about not fretting over it and I didn't think you all were saying it was silly. Just don't want it to be a criticism thing when people, like me, decide we would rather not drink it raw or at all or keep a CL+ animals. It is just one of those things where what is right for one is not right for another and both choices are just as educated and sensible.

Absolutely

Same reason why I don't have cats. I don't trust the buggers no matter what people say. I'm on to them and they know it.

 

[Pearce Pastures]

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

Me too!!

 

[mjgh06]

Plus, I'm sure if we saw some of the animals' lumps and bumps that end up in our food chain, we'd think CL was pretty minor.

As I grew up on a ranch with dairy and slaughter animals-cows and goats- I know all slaughter animals and dairy farms are inspected/tested prior to slaughter or use. For goats, the inspection process includes current testing for CAE and CL. CAE goats can be used for slaughter because it is not transferable to humans through meat consumption, however CL goats will not be used in most cases because all infection of CL must be removed from the body and discarded due to the possibility of transmission to humans.

As for on the farm living and life for a goat infected - Both CAE and CL can been effectively monitored and treated to allow the goat to live a semi-normal life without worry of contamination to other animals. Most goats with CAE never develop symptoms outside of the arthritic form. Owners of CL goats can develop an autogenous vaccine to allow continuous treatment of the herd with limited or no further abscess outbreaks. But treatment for both disorders are time consuming and costly. Because with CAE there is no concern of transmission to humans, I would rather have a goat with CAE than CL.

 

[babsbag]

Plus, I'm sure if we saw some of the animals' lumps and bumps that end up in our food chain, we'd think CL was pretty minor.

As I grew up on a ranch with dairy and slaughter animals-cows and goats- I know all slaughter animals and dairy farms are inspected/tested prior to slaughter or use. For goats, the inspection process includes current testing for CAE and CL. CAE goats can be used for slaughter because it is not transferable to humans through meat consumption, however CL goats will not be used in most cases because all infection of CL must be removed from the body and discarded due to the possibility of transmission to humans.

As for on the farm living and life for a goat infected - Both CAE and CL can been effectively monitored and treated to allow the goat to live a semi-normal life without worry of contamination to other animals. Most goats with CAE never develop symptoms outside of the arthritic form. Owners of CL goats can develop an autogenous vaccine to allow continuous treatment of the herd with limited or no further abscess outbreaks. But treatment for both disorders are time consuming and costly. Because with CAE there is no concern of transmission to humans, I would rather have a goat with CAE than CL.

Maybe on your farm they were / are tested but that is simply not the case elsewhere. CL animals are put into the food chain all the time: some are condemned if they have abcesses but there are many many that go into the food chain CL+. Many of the boer goat breeders that I know don't even test for CL and they do have it in their herd.

As far as dairy stock being tested, I don't believe that it is a required test. I would like to know you sources for that information, other than your experience.