Doe With Lice..or Mites!!

[FarmerBoy24]

Hey,

So on Saturday I picked up a nice doe. She is Nubian/Lamancha and shes around 6-7 months old. When I went outside to collect the chicken eggs and what not, I noticed a few lice or mites on her! They look like the same ones that chickens have. I only saw a few until I sifted her fur and she has A LOT! I did not notice this when I picked her up. What can I do for her?!? I have some I believe its Diatemasioues earth, Its in a white bottle type thing and it says Poultry and Gardens. will this hurt her skin. I feel bad for her!! Or is there any "home Remidies" I can do? Also she may be pregnant. Thanks

 

[Chris]

If it is put out by prozap then the active ingredient is Permethrin. Dust her good with that and it should take care of your problem.
You can also give her Ivomec Injectable for Cattle & Swine 1% Sterile Solution at the rate of 1 ml per 50 pounds and given orally.


Chris

 

[Pearce Pastures]

Is it lice or mites? I am going to guess they were lice if you could see them squirming around. The dust should work, plus changing out bedding. If it weren't getting cool, I'd say shave her to because the creepy crawlies hate that. If it is mites, then you might want to give her a shot of Ivomec because the dust probably won't do a thing for those.

 

[heatherlynnky]

I get the DE from the pet store or feed store in bulk bags. You can use this stuff everywhere. Literally. Not joking. We use it in the yard, in the dog runs, on the dogs, in the chicken coop, on the chickens, on the ducks, geese, cows and goats. Its sprinkled on bedding. I even put some in my feed to make sure I stay buggie free there too. Its food grade.

If you happen to get bed bugs and don't mind the mess, it even works on that. My nephew dusted his truck cab with it. Let another trucker use his and it came back infested. The powder worked like a charm, it just took vacuuming afters.

I use it in the garden. Not a potato or squash bug in sight this year. None of those huge ugly green caterpillar things on my tomatoes either. The stuff is great. The great thing is its safe enough to use often. So every 2 or 3 weeks I start powdering animals and bedding again. I hate bugs and this keeps us pretty free. If I could catch those dang wild turkeys that keep coming around I would powder them too.

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

I had a doe that had two different kinds of mites. She looked a bit slow and kind of out of it. I ended up seeing that she had some nasty crusty stuff in her ears. After further inspection it was determined that she had mites on her body and that's what the crusty stuff in her ears was. She had Psoroptescuniculi mites and yeast dermatitis/otitis, bacterial/otitis mites in her ears. Luckily they are very easy to treat. We cleaned her ears out really well and got all the crusty stuff out of there. Because it had caused and infection in her ears she had to have two shots of oxytetracycline 72 hours apart, but that was just for the infection. In order to treat for the mites all we had to do was shave her down to make it easier to treat her, and I sprayed every inch of her with Permethrin spray. You may be able to treat it with the Ivermectin but as we all know with worming, why would you use a cannon to treat the worms when you can use something smaller that will treat w/e you need it to treat. We all talk about building resistance and not going overboard. Why would you use the Ivermectin when all you need to do is go the topical way and just spray with Permethrin. It is just as easy. The mites that were all over her body were common biting mites that are able to be seen, unlike the other mites, which were microscopic.

 

[Pearce Pastures]

I do agree with SHK in that it is best to treat mildly first rather than going in with the big guns first. What I meant is that mites, depending on the kind, do not respond to insect dust or DE. The spray, if you don't mind shaving her down to get a good coat of it on, would work on the kind of mite that can be seen with the naked eye. We had mange-type mites on a buck and he needed a shot but those mites can't be seen crawling through fur. But for lice, dust or spray would work.

 

[FarmerBoy24]

Thanks everyone! So I dusted here down with the dust on her back, legs, belly, sides everywhere! I'm going to see how things are in the morning. I am wanting to go more of a "natural way".... I read that you can put Apple Cider Vinegar on her and it will kill them. Do you think this may irritate her skin?

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

I have no idea about the ACV but I would try and take care of this quickly. The longer it takes the bigger the risk of others getting it. If she doesn't improve rather quickly I would go ahead and spray her down as I said or if you want to, worm her. I wouldn't dance around with all these things that may or may not work.

 

[FarmerBoy24]

Okay, so I went out and checked her with a flash light of course and I could see that they were dead. The majority of them. So i think tomorrow afternoon I'll wash her down with dog shampoo (if the shampoo wont hurt her!!??) to get the dead ones off then load her with some more dust and repeat the day after.

 

[Chris]

How do you consider Ivomec a, "cannon" and then recommend a product like Pemethrin?
Pemethrin is considered a mild *Carcinogen, and Pemethrin is a restricted use pesticide do to it's toxicity to fish and aquatic plants. Yes it is a general use pesticide for residential and some industrial applications but is doesn't make is anymore safer or less potent than other products i.e. Ivomec.

Cats exposed dermally to some permethrin products may experience hyperexcitability, depression, ataxia, vomiting, anorexia, tremors, or convulsions. Symptoms can begin within a few minutes or up to three days after the exposure. Some
permethrin products contain high concentrations of the active ingredient and are labeled for use only on dogs. Close
physical contact with a recently treated dog may also lead to symptoms in cats. If symptoms are severe and untreated, they
may result in death.

A report of 11 cats intentionally treated with products containing 45-65% permethrin described adverse effects including
muscle tremors, seizures, incoordination and agitation after exposure. Of the 11 cats that were treated, all were hospitalized, and four died after the exposure. Seizures were found to develop within 24 hours of exposure, with some cats experiencing seizures within two hours. In one additional case, a cat was in proximity of two large dogs treated with a permethrin
product 48 hours after treatment. Between 18 and 24 hours after being near the dogs, the cat developed signs including
agitation, tremors, seizures, and ataxia.

Animals may also display drooling or lip-smacking. This is believed to be a result of licking at the application site and
thought to be caused either by the taste or a tingling sensation in the mouth.

Cattle which have been treated topically with permethrin may show signs of paresthesia including twitching the skin on
their backs, trying to rub their backs, and general restlessness.

*Carcinogen -
A carcinogen is any substance, radionuclide, or radiation that is an agent directly involved in causing cancer.


Chris