natural goat wormers and lice question

[Livinwright Farm]

The link the mod shared on the other thread to the Python label says it's hazardous to humans and animals... wash skin immediately, etc. I'm assuming this means you wouldn't want to ingest it, so even if it has no withdrawal time what's to prevent the dust from drifting into your milk? Also, you'd be getting it on your skin and clothes when handling them... doesn't it seem safer to give the ivomec injectable?

Also, I am SO not trying to start a fight here and get this thread closed as well so let's not get crazy with the winking this time. I haven't dealt with mites before so I'm just curious.

I too am not trying to fight here, and don't want to get this thread closed.

I will first address your question on the hazardous part. The warning actually reads like this:
Precautionary Statements
Hazards To Humans And Domestic(underlining done by me) Animals.
CAUTION
Harmful if absorbed through the skin. Avoid contact with eyes, skin or clothing. Wash thoroughly with soap and water after handling. Keep out of reach of children.

Found here:

Labeled for use on lactating and non-lactating DAIRY CATTLE, BEEF CATTLE, SHEEP, GOATS, and HORSES.
Can be applied to any age of animal.
Environmentally friendly.
Has the EPA's Class IV toxicity rating - the safest rating for pesticides.

My personal homework/advice:
After about 1 week, take a good firm brush and brush out any dead creepy crawlies and residual dust. As an added caution, you can place cheesecloth over the top of your milking bucket.
The dust is applied to the top of their heads, down the ridge of their spine, and at the top of their butt/base of their tail. Not much comes down and onto their teats. Any that might have gotten onto their teats would be washed off when doing the normal teat washing prior to milking. And if babies suckling is a worry, it states that it is safe on all ages of animal, and where babies lick their own coats... they would be ingesting a small amount anyways.
Hope this clarifies things for you.

 

[helmstead]

Since this isn't in the Organic section...

Eprinex is good to use and has no milk withdrawl. When it comes to real bugs, like lice and mites, I wouldn't play around with DE - but that's me. And I don't choose to use Sevin, I don't like them getting it in their eyes and inhaling it.

Basically there is no issue with using Ivermec, even standard Ivermec - because by the time the milk is drinkable (say, if you were freshening a doe intending to drink the milk, and treated her with ivermec the day she kidded and then had to wait 2 weeks for that colostrum taste to leave the milk) the withdrawl time is well past.

 

[Livinwright Farm]

Basically there is no issue with using Ivermec, even standard Ivermec - because by the time the milk is drinkable (say, if you were freshening a doe intending to drink the milk, and treated her with ivermec the day she kidded and then had to wait 2 weeks for that colostrum taste to leave the milk) the withdrawl time is well past.

That is a very good point on the withdrawl time of Ivermec & milking...
My question is, what about the babies drinking the milk up to that point? would it be safe for them, or would you have to go straight to bottle feeding kids from day 1?

 

[helmstead]

Perfectly safe for the babies.

 

[SDGsoap&dairy]

The link the mod shared on the other thread to the Python label says it's hazardous to humans and animals... wash skin immediately, etc.

I will first address your question on the hazardous part. The warning actually reads like this:
Precautionary Statements
Hazards To Humans And Domestic(underlining done by me) Animals.
CAUTION
Harmful if absorbed through the skin. Avoid contact with eyes, skin or clothing. Wash thoroughly with soap and water after handling. Keep out of reach of children.

Yeah, I didn't include the word domestic. I consider most of my goats to be domestic. Maybe not all of them... but most of them.

 

[cmjust0]

Found here:

Labeled for use on lactating and non-lactating DAIRY CATTLE, BEEF CATTLE, SHEEP, GOATS, and HORSES.

Also found at that link:

"Controls horn flies, lice, ticks, and keds. Aids in control of face flies and other nuisance flies."

No mention of mites, goat or otherwise. Just sayin'. Not gonna throw in a wink, though I'm really feeling the urge..

 

[mossyStone]

I have been useing DE on my Fiber goats for 8 yrs, they have never had lice or mites.
I use it before and after shearing, i hang a bag in the summer for them to walk under, seems to work well for them. I just started useing for the Nubains, they have had mites this winter..
I also mix it in the goat, dog , cat chicken, Turkey and Ducks feed and sprinkle in their houses and nest box area.. with no ill affects.

The 50 lb bag last me yrs and yrs

 

[cmjust0]

I have been useing DE on my Fiber goats for 8 yrs, they have never had lice or mites.
I use it before and after shearing, i hang a bag in the summer for them to walk under, seems to work well for them. I just started useing for the Nubains, they have had mites this winter..
I also mix it in the goat, dog , cat chicken, Turkey and Ducks feed and sprinkle in their houses and nest box area.. with no ill affects.

The 50 lb bag last me yrs and yrs

I didn't use anything on my goats for a long, long time and never had any problem with lice or mites...until I bought in a few goats that had lice and bought hay from another goatkeeper who had mites in his herd..

Then I had to deal with lice on a few, and mites on one or two..

Point being, if you've never had problems with external parasites, they won't just spring up out of nowhere whether you hang a bag of DE or not.. I'd be interested to see how well the DE would hold up if you were ever infiltrated with either, though..

Can pretty much gaurantee, btw, that DE isn't going to do anything against mites unless you can find a way to get it *into* a goat's skin where the mites live..

 

[mossyStone]

My Nubians were hit with mites this yr my prgoras on the DE program not a one..... Now i am useing DE on them as well...... And they have done nicely......

I also had fecals ran on the Pygoras since they have always had just DE and natural wormer No worms.....



It's nice that we all can use what we want and share that, if it works for you good if not do what you need to do.....

 

[cmjust0]

My Nubians were hit with mites this yr my prgoras on the DE program not a one..... Now i am useing DE on them as well...... And they have done nicely......

I also had fecals ran on the Pygoras since they have always had just DE and natural wormer No worms.....

It's nice that we all can use what we want and share that, if it works for you good if not do what you need to do.....

Just out of curiosity, what symptoms were your goats showing with mites?