Pearce Pastures
Barn Babe
Have you used a tried doing a ketone test? I am pretty sure they have them at TSC and are not too badly priced.
You need to treat this doe aggressively with either Revive or Magic. She needs Calcium along with the sugars for energy. She won't like it but it needs to be done.Oakroot said:I have not seen them there.
So I figured out the problem. She was just sick of big syringes and thick paste. I switched from syrup mix to dextrose with water and used a tiny 3ml syringe. Over the span of an hour and a half I was able to get 120ml in her with out any of the violent reaction. I am going to try diluting the syrup and trying again with some of that as well.
The sugar and water is definitely helping. I am going to keep it up and try and get at least 60 ml if not more in her every hour today and through the night. I am giving her 24 hours. If she can make a big turn around by then and be back to near normal I will let her carry but if by 24 hours I have not seen a huge difference I am going to start the Predef and abort her to see if we can save her.
Sorry about that. I never really thought about how bad it would taste. I just know how much goats hate having anything shoved in their mouth. I highly recommend getting a drench gun. That way you can get the tip of it way down the side of her mouth past most of her tongue. It's much easier then using a regular syringe.Oakroot said:Donna you are doing nothing but try and be helpful. So please do not feel like I am upset with you in any way about your post. It helped me narrow down some things but I do have to post a bit of a rant about verbiage. My vet did even worse to me and I see lots of people do it. So it's not you. I am just going to post this and hope it helps someone/anyone down the line. (and this is 90% a rant at my vet)
When a person has a sick animal. Every thing that animal does is in super focus. They won't like, or it will hurt a bit, is not the same scale they may have a total fit when you give this to them. They will absolutely hate this but they need it anyways. So when my doe was having fits this morning every time I gave her the magic drench I was rightfully pretty concerned. I was unable to get it into her she was having such a violent reaction to receiving it. That is why I switched her to Dextrose and water. Because that I was actually able to get into her. It was not until you said she won't like it that I decided to taste a tiny drop of it. Even in small quantities the calcium stuff is horrendous. It is way worse then "they just won't like it" it practically turns your face inside out is so bad. Now that I knew this I was able to make up a new batch. Dose her with the calcium first and then give her a full dosage of Magic. HUGE difference. So my rant is people if you have experience with a product and you know animal truly hate something or a drug truly burns. Don't sugar coat it when giving advice. If you had a doe that throw her self on the ground because they where so upset at getting a drug. Share that. You can make someone have a much better chance of success if they are forearmed with the knowledge of how the animal will react. If my vet or heck even the stupid bottle had mentioned a strong reaction to the flavor of this stuff I could have had this doe so much father along in recovery because I would have understood what was going on. There was no way for me to just know that her horrible reactions this morning where caused by the calcium.
I still am flabbergasted my vet gave me nuflor and said "Ya she will probably squirm at that one." Understatement to the point of lies that.
So anyways now that I know a bit better how I need to go about this (thank you again Donna, your advice is already making a huge difference) I can hopefully get her on track. I have a plan, and sometimes just having that is infinitely comforting.