What should I use for deworming based on these fecals?

[TGreenhut]

Let me start off by letting you know that there are no goat vets within a 2 hour drive of where we live (that we know of). So today I gathered fecal samples from my goats and brought them to our horse vet. We did the process together because she was teaching me how to do fecal testing. Here are our results:

Waikiki: Negative (No worm eggs found whatsoever)

Sassafras: Trichostrongylus x9

Sasha: Nematodirus (threadneck worm) x2

My horse vet is used to doing fecals on horses and therefore had trouble with identifying certain worms found in goats. We had trouble differentiating Oesophagostomum (nodular worm) from the Haemonchus (barberpole worm). For the following two goats, I put OR for the ones we couldn't tell the difference.

Razzmatazz: Oesophagostomum (nodular worm) OR Haemonchus (barberpole worm) x35

Smokey: Trichostrongylus x12
Nematodirus (threadneck worm) x1
Oesophagostomum (nodular worm) OR Haemonchus (barberpole worm) x30

I am inexperienced with different types of dewormers so I was wondering if you guys had any suggestions of what type of dewormer I should use to treat these worms. My vet said she is unfamiliar with these worms but she could find out what to use for me if I couldn't find out.

 

[ragdollcatlady]

Sorry I can't help with the advice...but good for you getting the vet to help you identify them....I'll be watching for the pros advice...

 

[elevan]

http://www.backyardherds.com/web/viewblog.php?id=2607-parasite-mgmt

What worms:
Nematodirus, Cooperia, Trichostrongylus, Telodorsagia (Ostertagia) - These worms will cause a goat / sheep to be unthrifty, a poor doer and cause diarrhea. They are not blood suckers and do not cause death.

Hemonchus Contortus (Barberpole) - This is the worst worm that we are dealing with. It is a voracious bloodsucker and can kill the animal. It is very small only about 1/2 inch long as "adult". A heavy infestation can remove 1/5 of the animal's blood in 24 hours.

These all have some effectiveness on the barberpole worm...it just depends on what the resistance level is like in your area.

Dewormers by Class

Avermectins

Brand Name: Ivomec, Double Impact, Top-line, Phoenectin Pour-on
Active Ingredient(s): ivermectin 1% (injectable) ivermectin 0.5% (pour-on)
Availability: OTC
Withdrawal: 35 days before slaughter
Indications: Control of internal and external parasites

Brand Name: Ivomec Plus
Active Ingredient(s): ivermectin 1% and clorsulon 10%
Availability: OTC
Withdrawal: 56 days before slaughter
Indications: Control of internal and external parasites including adult liver flukes

Brand Name: Dectomax
Active Ingredient(s): doramectin 1% injectable; doramectin 0.5% pour-on
Availability: OTC
Withdrawal: 35 days before slaughter for injectable; 42 days before slaughter for pour-on
Indications: Control of internal and external parasites

Brand Name: Eprinex (Ivomec)
Active Ingredient(s): eprinomectin 5mg
Availability: OTC
Withdrawal: No slaughter or milk withdrawal on cattle
Indications: Control of internal and external parasites
Notes: Used frequently in dairy goats(No milk withdrawal)

Milbymycin

Brand Name: Cydectin, Quest Equine Wormer
Active Ingredient(s): moxidectin
Availability: OTC
Withdrawal: No slaughter withdrawal on cattle
Indications: Control of internal and external parasites
Notes: Cydectin - this is the most effective wormer we have right now.

Benzimidazole (white dewormers)

Brand Name: Safe-guard, Panacur, Benzelmin
Active Ingredient(s): fenbendazole
Availability: OTC
Withdrawal: 8 days before slaughter
Indications: Control of internal parasites - Tapeworms
Notes: Most stomach and intestinal worms show resistance to fenbendazole products.
Extremely high safety margin.

Brand Name: Synanthic
Active Ingredient(s): oxfendazole
Availability: OTC
Withdrawal: 11 days before slaughter
Indications: Control of internal parasites

Brand Name: Valbazen
Active Ingredient(s): albendazole
Availability: OTC
Withdrawal: days before slaughter
Indications: Use Valbazen to control of internal parasites including adult liver flukes.
Notes: Do not use on does of breeding age that have been exposed to a buck, or those that are
bred. May cause abortion or birth defects.

From the chemical MSDS

Avermectins (ivermectin) will treat:
Gastrointestinal Roundworms (adults and fourth-stage larvae): Ostertagia ostertagi (including inhibited O. ostertagi), O. lyrata, Haemonchus placei, Trichostrongylus axei, T. colubriformis, Cooperia oncophora, C. punctata, C. pectinata, Oesophagostomum radiatum,
Bunostomum phlebotomum, Nematodirus helvetianus (adults only), N. spathiger (adults only)

Lungworms (adults and fourth-stage larvae): Dictyocaulus viviparus

Cattle Grubs (parasitic stages): Hypoderma bovis, H. lineatum

Sucking Lice: Linognathus vituli, Haematopinus eurysternus, Solenopotes capillatus

Mites (scabies): Psoroptes ovis (syn. P. communis var. bovis), Sarcoptes scabiei var. bovis

Milbymycins will treat:
Large strongyles
Strongylus vulgaris - (adults and L4/L5 arterial stages)
Strongylus edentatus - (adults and tissue stages)
Triodontophorus brevicauda - (adults)
Triodontophorus serratus - (adults)
Small strongyles
Cyathostomum spp. - (adults)
Cylicocyclus spp. - (adults)
Cylicostephanus spp. - (adults)
Gyalocophalus capitatus - (adults)
Undifferentiated lumenal larvae
Encysted cyathostomes
Late L4 and L5 mucosal cyathostome larvae
Ascarids
Parascaris equorum - (adults and L4 larval stages)
Pinworms
Oxyuris equi - (adults and L4 larval stages)
Hairworms
Trichostrongylus axei - (adults)
Large-mouth stomach worms
Habronema muscae - (adults)


Benzimidazole (white dewormers) will treat:
liver flukes, tapeworms, stomach worms (including 4th stage inhibited larvae of Ostertagia), intestinal worms and lungworms, adult liver flukes

 

[20kidsonhill]

With that high of a load of Barber pole worms, I would reach for some cydectin. You could try a weaker wormer, and then retest the fecals in a few days to see how it helped. I would only treat the three goats that have the highest counts.

 

[aggieterpkatie]

I'd also go with Cydectin. I've had really good success with it working on Barberpoles. My vet recommends re-testing between 2-3 weeks.

 

[ksalvagno]

If Ivomec still works for you, then I would go with Ivomec. Cydectin is the next generation of Ivomec and I would hold off using it for as long as you can. I dose Ivomec at 1cc per 20 lbs.

 

[Roll farms]

If Ivomec still works for you, then I would go with Ivomec. Cydectin is the next generation of Ivomec and I would hold off using it for as long as you can. I dose Ivomec at 1cc per 20 lbs.

x2. Start with the 'weakest' drug that will still work for your goats (providing this was a routine fecal, NOT done b/c of anemia or scouring animals) and do another test in 3 wks. If the numbers go up / don't improve, then use cydectin.

If you start w/ the 'big gun' and your worms build resistance to it, then....what will you do?

Ivermectin still works for us here, and we only deworm on an as-needed (not on a scheduled routine) basis.

 

[elevan]

If Ivomec still works for you, then I would go with Ivomec. Cydectin is the next generation of Ivomec and I would hold off using it for as long as you can. I dose Ivomec at 1cc per 20 lbs.

x2. Start with the 'weakest' drug that will still work for your goats (providing this was a routine fecal, NOT done b/c of anemia or scouring animals) and do another test in 3 wks. If the numbers go up / don't improve, then use cydectin.

If you start w/ the 'big gun' and your worms build resistance to it, then....what will you do?

Ivermectin still works for us here, and we only deworm on an as-needed (not on a scheduled routine) basis.

x3

 

[aggieterpkatie]

I agree in theory, but if an animal is very bad off, I'd not wait and give Ivomec a chance.

 

[Chris]

I agree in theory, but if an animal is very bad off, I'd not wait and give Ivomec a chance.

x2

Chris