Hay prices

[babsbag]

Hay prices didn't change much during the drought. Prices went up maybe $2.00 a bale at the feed stores and not at all from the broker I buy from. Alfalfa is always irrigated here, we don't depend on rain to grow the hay. And since our summers are dry baling is usually not an issue. On a rare occasion the first cutting might have to get squeezed in between a few storms.

 

[Alaskan]

Should i do something, or stay out of their business?

I think you could say something, AFTER you are done buying what you are there to buy.... and then say it in a super kind non-judgemental kind of way.

Like "It sure is difficult to find a good farrier now a days. I noticed your horse is in need of a trim, do you want the number of my farrier?"

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Also, they got this miniature horse that has some dreadfully long shoes, and last time we went they hadn't taken care of it. That was about a month ago. If i go tomorrow and they haven't fixer her hooves, What should i do?
-They take great care of their other animals and the miniature horse seems fine except for the hooves. They are nice people and i'm sure they don't mean to leave her hooves like that, but i'm not sure why they'd leave her hooves like that... I read they get like that Fast, maybe they where just busy last time i went and where about to do it. If not, Should i do something, or stay out of their business? (I'm not sure it'd be an option to stay out of their business, when it comes to animals that may need help, my nose is stuck in it and doesn't seem to come out until it's resolved.)
-They are NOTTTT abusing their animals, they are all healthy and very happy. I'm just worried they don't have enough time to trim her hooves, and even though animal neglect is a serious problem and frankly if anyone does that, in my eyes, they might as well be satan, i'm not sure what they're doing is necessarily neglect, i can't think of a proper term.

Truthfully I think you should stay out of it.
You say the animals are happy and healthy
They are not abused
How much do you know about horses?
How long have you worked with horses?
How long have you owned horses?
Is the horse lame?
I don't know horses, but I haven't heard of "long shoes".

Do you know how long they have had this horse? What if this horse is a rescue? With goats anyway, when the hooves are severely overgrown you take it off slowly.

Have you seen the hoof care of of large goat herds vs the backyard pet goats? It varies.

Is this really your business to get into?
If the animal are not suffering and are healthy and happy it's not.

I say this because there have been times when we brought animals in that were having a rough time. One doe had severely overgrown hooves. It took almost a year to get them looking normal. When I brought the doe home we had our vet our immediately to sedate her to get a good evaluation. The does bones were shifted and we had to do anitbiotic wraps on the feet. Why she was so bad? The owner was taking care of a dying parent and had been trying to place the herd. She was also running a horse farm, the stress was so bad she had shingles in her lungs. Our doe was the worst of the herd. The owner was was mortified when I showed her.
But you know what we did? We helped find homes for the animals. We didn't call AC on her. She was able to place the whole herd and everything worked out.

If you think something is wrong, have you ever asked if they needed a hand? Ever offer to help, ask how you could help?
Lending a hand can be far more useful than not having the guts to say anything and hide behind AC.

Why would you say something after you buy?

I guess I'm old fashioned in that aspect. If someone needs help, lend a hand. If you don't like something, say it to their face (as long as it's safe) If you are concerned, express it.

Not trying to come off as a jerk but I see this all too often.

 

[OneFineAcre]

Truthfully I think you should stay out of it.
You say the animals are happy and healthy
They are not abused
How much do you know about horses?
How long have you worked with horses?
How long have you owned horses?
Is the horse lame?
I don't know horses, but I haven't heard of "long shoes".

Do you know how long they have had this horse? What if this horse is a rescue? With goats anyway, when the hooves are severely overgrown you take it off slowly.

Have you seen the hoof care of of large goat herds vs the backyard pet goats? It varies.

Is this really your business to get into?
If the animal are not suffering and are healthy and happy it's not.

I say this because there have been times when we brought animals in that were having a rough time. One doe had severely overgrown hooves. It took almost a year to get them looking normal. When I brought the doe home we had our vet our immediately to sedate her to get a good evaluation. The does bones were shifted and we had to do anitbiotic wraps on the feet. Why she was so bad? The owner was taking care of a dying parent and had been trying to place the herd. She was also running a horse farm, the stress was so bad she had shingles in her lungs. Our doe was the worst of the herd. The owner was was mortified when I showed her.
But you know what we did? We helped find homes for the animals. We didn't call AC on her. She was able to place the whole herd and everything worked out.

If you think something is wrong, have you ever asked if they needed a hand? Ever offer to help, ask how you could help?
Lending a hand can be far more useful than not having the guts to say anything and hide behind AC.

Why would you say something after you buy?

I guess I'm old fashioned in that aspect. If someone needs help, lend a hand. If you don't like something, say it to their face (as long as it's safe) If you are concerned, express it.

Not trying to come off as a jerk but I see this all too often.

Amen to that

 

[Southern by choice]

-They take great care of their other animals and the miniature horse seems fine except for the hooves. They are nice people and i'm sure they don't mean to leave her hooves like that, but i'm not sure why they'd leave her hooves like that... I read they get like that Fast, maybe they where just busy last time i went and where about to do it.

Should i do something, or stay out of their business?

I'm not sure it'd be an option to stay out of their business, when it comes to animals that may need help, my nose is stuck in it and doesn't seem to come out until it's resolved.)

-They are NOTTTT abusing their animals, they are all healthy and very happy. I'm just worried they don't have enough time to trim her hooves, and even though animal neglect is a serious problem and frankly if anyone does that, in my eyes, they might as well be satan, i'm not sure what they're doing is necessarily neglect, i can't think of a proper term.

Recently I mentioned something to someone I know that I have RELATIONSHIP with about hooves... this person is new to goats and is learning hooves. I knew the person, love the person and know the character of the person... there was no accusation, no underlying "issue", and no judgement. My mention did not offend them.

I think sometimes it is how you go about it as well as how experienced and knowledgeable with livestock you are.
Too many busy bodies out there that have no clue and don't mind their own business yet cause issues for others because of some self righteousness.

There was a woman that had her sheep on a dry lot because of parasite issues. They had feed and hay but no grass- the dry lot was for a reason. Some idiot called AC because the sheep had no grass.
Another farm had the fly masks on their horses. Again, some dolt calls AC because they have "hoods covering their eyes and face". SMH!
Another with a 30 year old horse that looked rough- No CRAP- it's a 30 year old horse but some busybody drives by and thinks the horse is too thin.
Ever seen a 17 year old goat?
Ever been on a 300 head sheep farm? 1000 head? Yeah those hooves get done once a year.

I have a friend who took in a miniature horse and the horse is so crazy no farrier will touch it so it gets done when the horse can be sedated and that you can't do all the time.

If you are that concerned extend yourself and help if you are not willing to do that then MYOB!

 

[Baymule]

We once bought a donkey with hooves so long, they were curled up. It took over two years to get his feet right again. Even after getting them trimmed-which took a long time-his front feet turned in. At any time during his recovery time, someone could have seen him and called in on us. That would have really incensed me.

 

[Eliya Sage]

Recently I mentioned something to someone I know that I have RELATIONSHIP with about hooves... this person is new to goats and is learning hooves. I knew the person, love the person and know the character of the person... there was no accusation, no underlying "issue", and no judgement. My mention did not offend them.

I think sometimes it is how you go about it as well as how experienced and knowledgeable with livestock you are.
Too many busy bodies out there that have no clue and don't mind their own business yet cause issues for others because of some self righteousness.

There was a woman that had her sheep on a dry lot because of parasite issues. They had feed and hay but no grass- the dry lot was for a reason. Some idiot called AC because the sheep had no grass.
Another farm had the fly masks on their horses. Again, some dolt calls AC because they have "hoods covering their eyes and face". SMH!
Another with a 30 year old horse that looked rough- No CRAP- it's a 30 year old horse but some busybody drives by and thinks the horse is too thin.
Ever seen a 17 year old goat?
Ever been on a 300 head sheep farm? 1000 head? Yeah those hooves get done once a year.

I have a friend who took in a miniature horse and the horse is so crazy no farrier will touch it so it gets done when the horse can be sedated and that you can't do all the time.

If you are that concerned extend yourself and help if you are not willing to do that then MYOB!

yikes.... i had no idea asking for advice on this subject was so tense.... i'll ask if they need any help.....

by the way, i didn't mean i wouldn't stay out of it as in, i would contact AC, and freaking sue them, i meant, i wanted to get involved with the horse, try and go over there, maybe find a way to nicely say, your horse needs some help, if you don't mind, maybe i can help out.

 

[Eliya Sage]

Truthfully I think you should stay out of it.
You say the animals are happy and healthy
They are not abused
How much do you know about horses?
How long have you worked with horses?
How long have you owned horses?
Is the horse lame?
I don't know horses, but I haven't heard of "long shoes".

Do you know how long they have had this horse? What if this horse is a rescue? With goats anyway, when the hooves are severely overgrown you take it off slowly.

Have you seen the hoof care of of large goat herds vs the backyard pet goats? It varies.

Is this really your business to get into?
If the animal are not suffering and are healthy and happy it's not.

I say this because there have been times when we brought animals in that were having a rough time. One doe had severely overgrown hooves. It took almost a year to get them looking normal. When I brought the doe home we had our vet our immediately to sedate her to get a good evaluation. The does bones were shifted and we had to do anitbiotic wraps on the feet. Why she was so bad? The owner was taking care of a dying parent and had been trying to place the herd. She was also running a horse farm, the stress was so bad she had shingles in her lungs. Our doe was the worst of the herd. The owner was was mortified when I showed her.
But you know what we did? We helped find homes for the animals. We didn't call AC on her. She was able to place the whole herd and everything worked out.

If you think something is wrong, have you ever asked if they needed a hand? Ever offer to help, ask how you could help?
Lending a hand can be far more useful than not having the guts to say anything and hide behind AC.

Why would you say something after you buy?

I guess I'm old fashioned in that aspect. If someone needs help, lend a hand. If you don't like something, say it to their face (as long as it's safe) If you are concerned, express it.

Not trying to come off as a jerk but I see this all too often.

........well this'll shut me up. If i'd known how tense this subject was i'd never said a word. I did come here so not to get the owner in trouble before i got advise............ guess in a way, that was advice.......

I don't understand. One minuet if you see an animal who may be suffering, it's, gather advice and move forward, the next, it's mind your own business.... All i know is i went over, their horse hooves where oddly long, it didn't look comfortable, seeing it made me feel sick, So i came back, and asked. I do not know a single thing about horses, thats why i asked.

next time i'm over there i'll ask to lend a hand......................................................................................................................................



ok thenn... i'm gonna go delete that comment so to not attract anymore.. advice.

 

[Eliya Sage]

I think you could say something, AFTER you are done buying what you are there to buy.... and then say it in a super kind non-judgemental kind of way.

Like "It sure is difficult to find a good farrier now a days. I noticed your horse is in need of a trim, do you want the number of my farrier?"

Nice way of putting that, thank you, I'll try that, or something like, "I love helping out local farms, Hey, maybe if you gave me some tips for horse shoes, i could save ya'll some time and come and cut your miniature horse's shoes?"

 

[Eliya Sage]

I feel bad for taking this thread a whole different direction... here, maybe this will put it back on track...

umm, What is your favorite hay? Do you mix it with other hay?