Bloated lamb help please!

[misfitmorgan]

i have does due in the next week or two..is it to late to give them CDT? i read it was suppose to be a month before kidding/lambing.

Southern answered part of this but i didnt see the reply until after i posted the question. Is it safe to give mom CDT a week or two before kidding?

 

[misfitmorgan]

If the ewe didn't get the CDT 30 days before lambing then the lamb has no protection. In that case lamb should get it within first 3 days of life and again 1 month later.

You'd have to share the thread but if the lamb was going blind before did she have polio?

Thiamine deficiency can also cause an animal to go down ... and eventually can cause seizures.

Many things present similar symptoms in the earliest stages.

We just treated our goose for thiamine deficiency. We switched feeds 3 weeks earlier and that is how long it takes for it to show up in a goose. Glad @Goat Whisperer caught it... I was about to put the goose down. She called it and Goose is running around like normal.

The vet told us she had just scratched...both of her eyes and they were milky from the infection and would clear up....well after using the entire tube of antibiotics on her eyes she had cataract like damage left on her eyes but had probly 60% of her sight back, the vet told us we have not brought her in soon enough. Bascially that it was our own fault, and when w asked how she could have scratched her eyes that badly and gotta such a bad infection in less then 48hrs the vet didnt even answer us.

The same vet set her broken leg and it was half off and half on when it was 4 weeks into healing and they took an xray...she said the bone callous will cover that...so i was like ok. Same vet also did a "herd" test for us last spring for CAE which involved testing 4 of 35 goats telling us we only needed to do 10%...wrong each needed tested i found out this year. We took the same lamb in for a swelled up hoof she said the oil gland was infected and we could let it go and it would clear up itself or give her pen g if we felt like it. We were over all very unhappy with this vet so this year when they told us to get CAE tested we had to load up all of our goats/sheep and bring them to the vet to draw blood we told them we would not be using their services again. i dont know what vet expects you to take your entire herd to them to get tested when you ask for them to come test. We even asked why we didnt have to bring them all in last year and they said i was suppose to have

i'm sorry i am ranting but now i am blaming myself for not second guessing all the info the vet gave me and checking for myself. i feel like i let maggie down a lot and could have prevented her death.

 

[Hens and Roos]

 

[Latestarter]

Again, so sorry. Typically the CD&T shot is given ~30 days before anticipated kidding. This protects the mom with the side benefit of the vaccine being passed on to the kid(s)/lamb(s).

"Vaccinating the pregnant ewe 2 to 4 weeks before lambing will result in protection/immunity to these clostridial diseases in the form of antibodies being passed on to the lamb via the ewe's colostrum, her first milk. This passively acquired immunity lasts for the lamb's first 50 to 60 days of life. Ewes lambing for the first time should be vaccinated twice in late pregnancy, about four weeks apart."

From: http://www.extension.umn.edu/food/small-farms/livestock/sheep-goats/use-of-vaccines-in-sheep/

So the way I read this, I'd say, yes, go ahead an get the up and coming mommas vaccinated for CD&T now, and then when you give the lamb(s) their first shots you can do the mommas booster at the same time.

Real shame that there are bad vets out there, just like bad people docs, and with vets, there's really nothing to do if they screw you.

 

[misfitmorgan]

Again, so sorry. Typically the CD&T shot is given ~30 days before anticipated kidding. This protects the mom with the side benefit of the vaccine being passed on to the kid(s)/lamb(s).

"Vaccinating the pregnant ewe 2 to 4 weeks before lambing will result in protection/immunity to these clostridial diseases in the form of antibodies being passed on to the lamb via the ewe's colostrum, her first milk. This passively acquired immunity lasts for the lamb's first 50 to 60 days of life. Ewes lambing for the first time should be vaccinated twice in late pregnancy, about four weeks apart."

From: http://www.extension.umn.edu/food/small-farms/livestock/sheep-goats/use-of-vaccines-in-sheep/

So the way I read this, I'd say, yes, go ahead an get the up and coming mommas vaccinated for CD&T now, and then when you give the lamb(s) their first shots you can do the mommas booster at the same time.

Real shame that there are bad vets out there, just like bad people docs, and with vets, there's really nothing to do if they screw you.

Thank you @Latestarter that is excellant info. Just to double check i can use the same Bar Vac CD/T vaccine i use for kids on adult sheep? and then the Durvet Goat Vac CDT for the adult goats right?

Yeah its so hard to trust vets up here prices are insane and they will literally recommend things just to get your bill higher i have seen it done. There was one poor dog in there with a swollen prostate and they scheduled his surgery for 3 weeks out from the first visit..the owners were pissed but went along with it...i saw them on my second visit...on my third visit they were back for the 3rd time to get the dog unimpacked because he was in so much pain he was just laying crying cause he couldnt poop and the vet wouldnt change the surgery date. i dont know how they justified it honestly, vets are suppose to help animals not prolong the suffering. The same vet runs the only 24hrs vet hospital and wont do any surguries after hours which is 6pm-9am

 

[Latestarter]

I'm not sure on the specific CD&T vaccines... you'll need to read the label instructions for use & dosage. Seems to me if you have one for adults and one for kids, I'd use them appropriately... Just continue to use the adult one on the adults and the kid one on the kids? @Roving Jacobs @purplequeenvt @secuono anyone?

Since you're in Michigan, maybe you should look up Dr. Pol (Natgeo Wild)... even if a long drive, for serious stuff, may be worth it...

 

[misfitmorgan]

I'm not sure on the specific CD&T vaccines... you'll need to read the label instructions for use & dosage. Seems to me if you have one for adults and one for kids, I'd use them appropriately... Just continue to use the adult one on the adults and the kid one on the kids? @Roving Jacobs @purplequeenvt @secuono anyone?

Since you're in Michigan, maybe you should look up Dr. Pol (Natgeo Wild)... even if a long drive, for serious stuff, may be worth it...

No no i mean i only have one type of vaccine for lambs its bar vac and one vaccine for kids its durvet...i have never read the bottle i just gave the doe my vet told me to and a repeat of the same 4 weeks later. I guess step one should actually be read the bottle lol. I will read it after to work and see if i still need an answer lol.

Dr Pol is in michigan? i have only seen that show a few times and it was roughly 2yrs ago or longer...i dont have cable only internet and netflix lol.

Thank you for all the help. i definitely think i need to do some major research and put together a first aid kit for the livestock with anit-bloat, nutri-drench, copper, etc

 

[misfitmorgan]

Looked up Dr. Pol apparently he is a little under 3hrs from me. Would definitely be worth it for something serious.

 

[Latestarter]

You can watch natgeo on the internet I believe. He's become quite the sensation actually. Even though the show doesn't show the full extent of care/treatment, it's been very informative, and he's quite a guy... funny and just a blast to watch. I believe he's going into like his 6th or 7th season and he's in his 70s! Guy has more energy than I do and he's almost old enough to be my father!

 

[L J]

oh my I am sooo sorry. Ive only had one incident of bloat, when my bottle "geep" was in process of weaning. I ended up taking him to the emergency vet.