Doelings turning into little buttheads

[Jewels03]

Have had my girls 3 weeks now and all seems to be fine and well. Than tonight I let my Shepherd out and my mini schnauzer and at first the girls were being good they were sniffing my schnauzer gently than the one out of the blue head butted my schnauzer than the other girl head butted her and they just kept ramming her and stomping her. I grabbed one goat, flipped her on her side and my Shepherd chased off the other girl because noone messes with his sister. He didn't bite or act aggressively just chased her off a little. Now this was traumatic for me, as well as for the goats I am sure. Can I ask who was the aggressor in this situation and how can I train everyone so this doesn't happen again?

 

[Jewels03]

I would like to add my dogs are never allowed unattended around the goats, and they have extensive obedience training, I put my Shepherd in a down stay from across the yard the second he chased off the other goat. I feel the goats were being buttheads to my schnauzer because she is 12 lbs and they are 30 lbs. But I want to make sure everyone is safe because my dogs use the same yard to potty that the goats are in.

 

[alsea1]

I would find a new place for dogs to potty. While intelligent goats are goats. I don't think you can train them to behave like dogs.

 

[Jewels03]

As stated I can not I have one yard and one entrance to the yard they all have to share. I do not expect them to be trained like dogs but what can I do to teach them that is unacceptable? Spray them with water, yell no, clap my hands? I am not expecting to teach my goats to go into a down stay but they need to learn to ignore or avoid each other. My dogs do avoid them for the most part this is the first time they got near each other.

 

[alsea1]

You can try. Might work. My dog has learned to stay out of the goats reach. Especially my herd queen.

 

[mikiz]

Is that even safe though? For goats I mean, to be eating where the dogs poop, is that healthy? I mean with LGDs in a paddock with goats at least they'd have room to poop away from where the goats eat. Maybe the yard could be fenced in half?

 

[goatgurl]

first of all the goats are doing what goats do to protect themselves. as you said yourself they haven't been introduced and have stayed away from each other. goats will attack if they feel threatened and my guess is that is what they were doing. schnauzer's can be really active and the goats being prey animals are very leery of smaller fast moving critters. if you can control the situation and work with all of them they will get use to each other and might even learn to play together. i have used a squirt bottle to teach goats (and other animals too) not to do whatever. i use my voice and say a loud aaannnt and give them a squirt in the face (goats hate water btw). soon you just have to use the verbal queue to get them to stop. what kind of goats do you have and what do you plan to do with them? pets, milk? i have a Maremma lgd that the goats ignore but my little cairn terrier mix has been bowled over more than once and she has learned to stay clear of the goats, especially the new mama's.
and i tend to agree with @mikiz is it really healthy for the goats to eat where the dogs poo? how big an area do they have to graze in? good luck

 

[Jewels03]

Well I clean my dog's poop up immediately so I feel it's fine. They have plenty of room and don't eat next to where my dogs go to the bathroom, and seeing as my goats don't particularly care for grazing anyways.

I think they have all come to an understanding whenever they see the dogs coming out, they go to the other end of the yard and wait for them to go inside, the dogs rarely go past the chicken coop so they know to go at least past the chicken coop and the dogs won't try to bother them.