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Elyssia001

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First off I'd like to thank SouthernbyChoice for answering my questions about LGDs. She's incredibly helpful and knowledgeable and her kindness is what has encouraged me to post here!

I originally signed up for this forum after registering in it's sister forum BackyardChickens.

My husband and I live alone on a small 1/10th acre city lot in the suburbs of Detroit, MI. Ever since I was a child I have wanted to live on a farm and raise animals. But when I married a city boy and both of us took jobs in urban areas, I thought I would have to content myself with my vegetable gardening and a few fruit trees. So imagine my excitement when I found out that some of the cities in the area allowed small backyard flocks! That got me interested in learning more about chickens. The more I learned about them, the more I wanted to embrace the whole self-sufficent life-style.

After a year of research and planning on small acreage self-sufficency, I've convinced my husband my husband to give it a go with me. Laster this spring we are going to start looking at properties to buy in the 5-10 acre range.

As much as I want to dive right into things, I know slow is the best way, so I want to make sure we have enough land for what I'd like to work up to, so that we never have to move. The goal is to raise enough meat and dairy for a family of 4-6 and enough fruit and vegetables to feed the same 4-6 people and then have surplus for weekend farmers markets during the summer.

For those helpful souls here, perhaps you can help me figure something out? The land we are looking at ranges from old crop land to wooded lots, so any pastures will have to be cleared, seeded, and allowed to "do their thing". I would want to set aside an acre for a vegetable garden and grain field (want to grow my own chicken feed), and another for a fruit orchard.

Given that the majority of the area here gets sufficent rainfall to grow grasses throughout the spring, summer, and fall, and with winter lasting from mid november to early march, how many medium-sized sheep or goats could be kept per acre if rotational grazing is used?
 

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Welcome to BYH! It looks like you've been a "lurker" for a while now ;)

Sheep...I don't know, never had them.

Goats...keep in mind that they are browsers, not grazers so they don't eat grass per se. They are more apt to eat your bushes, trees and weeds. They will eat grass but you'll have more parasite issues the closer to the ground that they eat. You want them eating stuff that is more than 4 inches above the ground. When you say medium size goat, I'm guessing your thinking along the lines of Kinders or Mini(insert dairy breed here)....is that right? It's really hard to give a stocking rate per acre for goats...here's a great article to help explain that statement: http://www.tennesseemeatgoats.com/articles2/goatsperacre.html

Congratulations on pursuing your dream. I wish you the best of luck!
 

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I suppose what I mean is medium sized sheep (I really like the Tunis breed) and full sized milking goats. I've seen some pictures of suffolk sheep that look large enough to ride!
 

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my thought....... go with as much land as you can afford, it's always nice to have more than you need. When we fenced our pastures in we put the fence 25 ft from the property line. We'll install a second fence along the property line as we can afford it. This will allow us multiple pastures etc..Make sure you check zoning of the land you purchase and speak to a township representative (get any feedback in writing) on what livestock you are allowed. If there are more woods than field, get goats and vis versa if you get mostly meadow or field go with sheep. Sheep and goat are happier if they have separate pastures, plus they have different food/mineral needs. And when push comes to shove, they fight differently too. I thought I would be able to house mine together, but my goats made it a point to camp out where the food and water was, and by the entrance to the shelter. They refused to allow the sheep in. So I had to split the building/pasture for now over winter. Come spring/summer it won't matter as much.
 

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Welcome :frowwe raise chickens and rabbits!

I agree to go with as much land as you can afford, we have almost 3 acres and some days wish we had a little more ;)
 

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:frowWelcome to BYH and the beginning of a wonderful adventure for you and your family!!! We have hair sheep and chickens. Hoping that Sheepgirl will see this, as she has the whole acreage and grazing per sheep down to a fine art! We had 8 sheep on 2 acres of pasture and they ate that down pretty good...if it is good pasture, I'd guess 5 sheep per acre.
 

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Thank you all for the warm welcome.

Unfortunately, 5-10 Acres IS all we can afford. We're trying to limit our future work commute to an hour or less, and so land in quantities greater than an acre or two around metro Detroit is rare and rather pricey. But fingers crossed, perhaps something will come onto the market with more land in our budget and we'll be lucky.
 

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Welcome to BYH!!!!! :frow
My advice would be to start out with 2 per acre, and if you have extra pasture, get however many more you figure will work!! I raise Tunis sheep and they are great grazer because they eat a wide variety of plants and grasses, where I have found my Suffolk to stick mainly to pasture grass!
Goats! I don't know alot about yet! ;)
Good luck and have fun!!!:D
 

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Welcome to BYH!!!!! :frow
My advice would be to start out with 2 per acre, and if you have extra pasture, get however many more you figure will work!! I raise Tunis sheep and they are great grazer because they eat a wide variety of plants and grasses, where I have found my Suffolk to stick mainly to pasture grass!
Goats! I don't know alot about yet! ;)
Good luck and have fun!!!:D

Yeah, the Tunis breed has me charmed with their red faces and adaptability! Fleece, meat, and Milk, all from the same critters.
 

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Thank you all for the warm welcome.

Unfortunately, 5-10 Acres IS all we can afford. We're trying to limit our future work commute to an hour or less, and so land in quantities greater than an acre or two around metro Detroit is rare and rather pricey. But fingers crossed, perhaps something will come onto the market with more land in our budget and we'll be lucky.
I hear you on this!
 
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