Jodief100--- random stuff and BIG news

[jodief100]

There is a lot of Savanna in some of the early kikos. Lots of breeders still breed them back in to increase size. I am a firm beliver in breeding to improve the herd, no matter where the genes come from. I have several Savanna/Kiko girls myself.

 

[marlowmanor]

So I just had to look up the Savanna goat just to see what they looked like. I had it in my head they'd look more like a Spanish goat. Instead they look more like a boer just without the colored head. I could see how they would add bulk to a kiko.

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

So I just had to look up the Savanna goat just to see what they looked like. I had it in my head they'd look more like a Spanish goat. Instead they look more like a boer just without the colored head. I could see how they would add bulk to a kiko.

They are from South Africa just as the Boer is so they are very much alike. Thing is they are much better against internal parasites and a much healthier breed overall than the Boer is. They remind me of a Kiko but in a Boer body.

 

[Southern by choice]

Thanks... that just went a long way here!!
What would be a fair stud fee...for a kiko buck(unproven/proven) would it be the same for a savanna?
I would rather start out with a doeling and not a mature doe. What would be a reasonable price range?

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

I just caught up. @Southern I love Savannas. I like how they are very much like the Boer but with almost no issues. They are large and meaty as the Boer but have the parasite resistance of the Kiko, most of the time. They can survive without being pumped full of feed, which the Boer can't. They have good genetics and could very well add many good things to your lines, including size. The reason I would rather breed to a Boer is that if you breed a Kiko to a Savanna all you get out of it is a 50% Kiko which will not sell even close to a Kiko/Boer cross. You can register a Kiko/Boer cross as a Boki for the IKGA or a GeneMaster for the NKR and AKGA. They have other classes such as 3/4, 5/6, and 7/8. I do not remember what they call them but you can market that and register them under their respected names. People are also more familiar with the Boer name so telling them it is half Boer and half Kiko will draw more buyers than just a 50% Kiko that is half Kiko and Savanna, a goat most people have never heard of. The Boki and GeneMaster is almost recognized as a breed now. You hear of people all the time saying that they are breeding Bokis now. People are treating them as a breed instead of a cross, which it really is. So if you are looking to improve your herd then the Savanna is a smarter choose but if you want to sell them, and at higher prices then Boers are the smart move. Also, when people breed their Kikos to Boers or vice versa the goats do seem to take on that Kikos good traits and the Boers size. It does not always work but most of the time you get good, solid goats that grow quickly. btw A Boki/Genemaster can reach slaughter weight 2 months faster than just a Kiko or Boer do to the Hybrid Vigor. They are one of the best "breeds" just for meat.

In the end it is a marketing thing. More people like the Boer name and color and because the "Boki" and "GeneMaster" name has been marketed so well it sells better. JMHO

 

[Southern by choice]

I like jodief100's answer thank you Jodief100!

@straw

 

[jodief100]

We got back from the Buck Test Sale late last night. Things went well. We received 4 awards: Top Producer of the Year, Highest Gaining Buck, Most Parasite Resistant Buck and Most Parasite Resilient Buck. We sold 3 of our bucks for good prices and bought one. If anyone wants a proven parasite resistant commercial buck, give us a call, w have three very nice ones. 2 can be registered 50% kiko, the 3rd can be registered 88% kiko.

This is our new boy: Quantum Singularity.
He is a 100% New Zealand Kiko and did well on the test. Not as well as most of ours but I want new genetics and these are proven.

 

[Roll farms]

Congrats, and your new boy's very pretty. He should make some pretty pretty babies!

SHK, give Americans time....*if* Savanna goats (or kikos, for that matter) become a popular 'show' animal, we will ruin (some of) them too.
Boers are still quite hardy in Africa, Austrailia, and Texas. It's the swampy South and show herds where they become parasite prone.

And *ahem* some breeders are raising healthy, parasite resistant boers, too.

 

[jodief100]

Congrats, and your new boy's very pretty. He should make some pretty pretty babies!

Thank you, I wonder what I woudl get if I bred him to my Oberhalsi colored doe? Or the black one with the white stripe across her belly?

There were 2 fullblood boers on the test. Neither did well with weight gain but one had good parasite resistance. They are out there, you just have to look.

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

SHK, give Americans time....*if* Savanna goats (or kikos, for that matter) become a popular 'show' animal, we will ruin (some of) them too.
Boers are still quite hardy in Africa, Austrailia, and Texas. It's the swampy South and show herds where they become parasite prone.

And *ahem* some breeders are raising healthy, parasite resistant boers, too.

I hope they don't. Soon as they start to bring money in the showing then then pretty much go down hill from there. They money is no longer in the health of the animals, but in the looks, standard, ect. I hope Savannas don't go that way, and I don't see it happening to Kikos anytime soon. They have no standard and the are a composite breed which the show people aren't too fond of.


haha Yes I know!! There are a few on here, including yourself, that breed some nice Boers that are parasite resistant. I know a few outside of BYH that have some very nice Boers too. That's the kind of Boer I want. I actually love Boers believe it or not.