LGD puppy developed bowing of legs

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What was the protein content of your puppy feed?.What I would do is use a cheaper feed and deworm the pup .It would be more helpful if you had charted growth weight of the pup .Feel pretty sure the protein might be the culprit .Real easy to over grow muscle. Keep in mind that high price dose not make a feed good .I use puppy chow for about 12 weeks then switch them over to
Retriever. I use TSC Retriever mix the 25 % with the 21% 50/50 .When we have an abundance of surplus eggs .The dogs get 2 hard boiled eggs a feeding.I don't want to tell you to starve the pup . At a year old large breeds should only weigh about 75% of thier adult weight .By the time they are 2 they should have reached full bone and body mass .
Stay away from wet food .Compare feeds and slow down .For a while dry food and water might be your best choice.Never had a dog that I raised have rickets. I am either lucky are doing something right .Hope the pup is doing well today.
 

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Badger had to be put down at 10 months unfortunately, which is genetic unfortunately. The way he reacted to the seizures made him unsafe to place in a pet home. He went after animals and people right before as if we were doing it to him and I didn't feel good about a potentially 180+ lbs dog that needed to be a house dog going out in the world like a time bomb if his medications ever stopped working or needed adjusting even if we did get them working and the seizures controlled completely. It was an extremely heart rending, traumatic time, but I think we had the best outcome we could have expected in the situation. I doubted myself right up to as we were leaving on the one way trip to the vet when he decided to go after my husband and split the man's lip. My husband never had a negative interaction with him in his whole life either so there was no reason for the turn.

I'm chocking the whole incident up to being in an area where a lot of people breed LGD's, and a lot of them shouldn't (or at least that's what I'm telling myself, lol).

Physically he was perfect though-beautiful dog with perfect sound legs, so if we're dealing with the same issue, feed is the key with your dog and it will correct, likely even without wrapping.

I remember that story now and agreed with your assessment of what needed to be done. Too dangerous a situation.

You have no idea how much you helped me on this issue and I thank God there are good folks on this forum who are willing to help with their own experiences and with links to good information. :hugs This pup has so many good qualities I didn't want her to get off track in all of this mix up in feeds. I finally have two good working dogs on the land and I really want to see how that all plays out.

Got some vet wrap today to support that one joint that's buckling and will change it out every other day and check for changes.

Bought Nutrena Loyall large breed puppy food~ https://www.nutrenaworld.com/product/loyall-life-large-breed-puppy-chicken-brown-rice

~as it seemed the best value for the price and ingredients and seemed to have better nutrients than the Iams and Hills, even had prebiotics and probiotics they didn't have. The reviews were good also, so I'll give a report here as to how it all worked. As of tomorrow I'll not be adding any additional supplements, but will rely solely on the dog food to balance her out. Can't wait to see her get back to sturdy, strong legs once more!
 

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What was the protein content of your puppy feed?.What I would do is use a cheaper feed and deworm the pup .It would be more helpful if you had charted growth weight of the pup .Feel pretty sure the protein might be the culprit .Real easy to over grow muscle. Keep in mind that high price dose not make a feed good .I use puppy chow for about 12 weeks then switch them over to
Retriever. I use TSC Retriever mix the 25 % with the 21% 50/50 .When we have an abundance of surplus eggs .The dogs get 2 hard boiled eggs a feeding.I don't want to tell you to starve the pup . At a year old large breeds should only weigh about 75% of thier adult weight .By the time they are 2 they should have reached full bone and body mass .
Stay away from wet food .Compare feeds and slow down .For a while dry food and water might be your best choice.Never had a dog that I raised have rickets. I am either lucky are doing something right .Hope the pup is doing well today.


I use the TSC Retriever brand too. I also can chicken (buy leg quarters on sale) for the dogs. When we take animals to slaughter, I get the offal, heart, liver and can that too. When we process Cornish Cross chickens, I can the heart, liver, gizzards, necks, skin, fat and wing tips with rice for the dogs. Husband feeds the dogs, 1 quart split between 5 dogs, mixed with their kibble. I'm down to about a dozen jars of chicken and rice, leg quarters need to go on sale again!
 

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I use the TSC Retriever brand too. I also can chicken (buy leg quarters on sale) for the dogs. When we take animals to slaughter, I get the offal, heart, liver and can that too. When we process Cornish Cross chickens, I can the heart, liver, gizzards, necks, skin, fat and wing tips with rice for the dogs. Husband feeds the dogs, 1 quart split between 5 dogs, mixed with their kibble. I'm down to about a dozen jars of chicken and rice, leg quarters need to go on sale again!

🐔 Inards and rice - do you have a recipe or process, please?
 

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Adding extra calcium without the other ingredients needed for assimilation of the calcium won't help. You need to add the correct ratio of calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, and Vitamin D. Without the correct combination the calcium will not be absorbed and will be worthless no matter how much you add.

At any rate, adding simple Calcium won't do much without the addition of Phosphorus, Magnesium, and Vita D in the right proportions.

Large breed dogs that grow too fast can develop problems. I have had 2 LGDs - males - that developed limps in separate legs at different times from "growing pains". My vet prescribed a temporary pain killer and had me control the amount of protein to slow down the growth. I never had any problem with bowed legs though. That sounds definitely like rickets - which results from Vitamin D deficiency. It can still be seen in many 3rd world populations.

When making chicken and rice dog food you can add bones (chicken necks) since you will either use a pressure cooker or during the canning process at the high temps needed, the bones become soft, enabling them to be eaten without danger by the dogs. I used to make a dog food additive for my kibble when showing my hunting dogs. I used chicken necks, eggplant (I can't remember why this was added but it had some vitamin benefit) and rice. I cooed it in the pressure cooker until the bones were soft, then froze it. I didn't have a canner at that time. I also traded this off with raw meat by products which I added to Nutro kibble. This was 50 years ago and Nutro was the best rice based kibble on the market (possibly the only one then - LOL).

I added calcium, phosphorus, Vita D, and powdered yeast separately along with a "MiraGlo" oil vitamin for coat. (People showing dogs are crazy with what they add for a wining coat. LOL) The powdered yeast kept them from getting any fleas too. I think it is high in Vita B. I used to take Vita B complex and Vita C and never was bitten by mosquitos, or any bugs. I think Vita B is a natural bug repellent when ingested. When raising puppies I added eggs and cottage cheese to their food too.

Hope this helps.
 

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🐔 Inards and rice - do you have a recipe or process, please?

Here ya' go. ;)

 

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Very happy to report that Pinky's legs are straightening right up! She loves the puppy food and she doesn't like the leg wraps so much and will tear them off if she can get a tooth hold on them, but mostly they are staying in place enough to give her good support. She's wearing them on both legs to support both joints there and I can already see a big difference there. I'll get pics when it's not so rainy and sloppy out...supposed to rain and snow for the next couple of days here.

So, YAY for home vetting and a good community of helpful people to make it possible! :celebrate
 

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It's amazing to me that she showed these symptoms in less than a week on the dog food mix mistake and it's been a week on the good food to correct it~no other supplements except a couple of days with buttermilk. She's still growing in leaps and bounds but, having the right balance of nutrition for large breed pups, is not seeming to suffer from the rapid growth.

I thank God for the quick recovery...been praying for this pup every day for this malady. She's such a good LGD, so bonded with and loved by her sheep, that I didn't want to mess that up in any way. She amazes me every day with her incredible instincts on how to guard the sheep along with Blue...the perfect partner for him.
 

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