Need Advice...(see post #34-pg4 for the latest)

[savingdogs]

I can't imagine that ANY store sells dog food for less per pound than even the cheapest goat food! Does he know this???? At least tell him this as a parting gift to those poor animals. How can you NOT FIND a new baby? Holy Carp.

Excellent point Free! Here Goat chow is about 1/2 the price of dog food.

 

[elevan]

I can't imagine that ANY store sells dog food for less per pound than even the cheapest goat food! Does he know this???? At least tell him this as a parting gift to those poor animals. How can you NOT FIND a new baby? Holy Carp.

Excellent point Free! Here Goat chow is about 1/2 the price of dog food.

They were feeding all the animals dog food...goats, sheep, donkeys and of course dogs

I suspect that the missing kid is probably dead He kept saying that the "billies" kept trying to attack it and he thought that's why the "nanny" hid it....it's been raining all day today and cool for an August day. I really think it's probably dead.

 

[arabianequine]

I can't imagine that ANY store sells dog food for less per pound than even the cheapest goat food! Does he know this???? At least tell him this as a parting gift to those poor animals. How can you NOT FIND a new baby? Holy Carp.

Excellent point Free! Here Goat chow is about 1/2 the price of dog food.

They were feeding all the animals dog food...goats, sheep, donkeys and of course dogs

I suspect that the missing kid is probably dead He kept saying that the "billies" kept trying to attack it and he thought that's why the "nanny" hid it....it's been raining all day today and cool for an August day. I really think it's probably dead.

I would report him to animal control myself. You can do this anonymously. That is the only way to stop him if at all and help the goats. Then tell animal control. You may have room to take some in goats in, if it came to that.

I do agree with you your choice, I know it is hard but we can't save them all and he will just keep doing it.

 

[drdoolittle]

How sad. I was also thinking the baby is probably dead. What an idiot. I agree with calling animal control and the decision not to buy the goats-----I probably wouldn't have been as strong as you and would have bought them on the spot. Hope I'm never in that situation.

 

[countrykids]

I'm not sure I'd be so quick to call animal control. True, dog food isn't for goats, but are they starving? I don't know. I just think that sometimes people are too trigger happy when it comes to calling in the government - are they really being abused? Think about it - not the ideal (or even CLOSE) situation for goats, but does it really warrant calling animal control? Think hard before making that call.
I agree - I wouldn't do business with someone so unethical and wouldn't want to bring his goats onto my property. I'd leave them be. With any luck, he'll go "out of business".

 

[aggieterpkatie]

I wouldn't buy them and I'd be honest and tell him why. He doesn't provide proper nutrition, he has no clue where the doe kid is, he knowingly leaves the doe kid in with the bucks who bully her, etc. Guy sounds like a jackass.

 

[Emmetts Dairy]

I wouldn't buy them and I'd be honest and tell him why. He doesn't provide proper nutrition, he has no clue where the doe kid is, he knowingly leaves the doe kid in with the bucks who bully her, etc. Guy sounds like a jackass.

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I wouldnt buy them either...and I would tell him straight out why as well. And tell him baby goats dont hide..and he better start looking for a dead kid. What a jerk. HOW BOUT A KIDDING STAHL to keep them safe!!! That momma will be pregant again around all those bucks soon enough!!! Poor thing.

I wouldnt worry to much about this guy being in the goat business to long...those goats will all die soon enough becuase of the dog food they are eating. I would tell him that too. He better get some diesel for his backhoe..cuz he will be diggin a while!

This angers me soooooo much!! Sorry to rant...but people a pathetic. This is so mean and cruel it turns my stomach!! His goats has more smarts them him!!

UGGHHHHHHHHHH

 

[20kidsonhill]

I am not saying this guy is doing things right, but you would be surprised how well a doe can hide her kids, if you have the right kind of conditions in your pasture or fields. I have looked quit a while on a couple occasions and I only have 6 acres and it isn't all that rocky, but lots of cedar trees and brush.

 

[jodief100]

I have to agree with the majority here. If you buy them, he will continue to do this. The only way he will stop is if he loses money. Paying for "rescues" just makes the problems worse. I volunteer with dog rescue and I see it all the time. People tell me how they "rescued" a puppy from a puppy mill when all they did was buy one. The people running it are still in business and have even more puppies that need "rescued".

I would be cautious about a call to animal control. Yes the animals are in a bad situation but the people at animal control are rarely educated enough on livestock to make good decisions about it. At best these animals may be removed. At worst nothing happens and this guy now believes his practices are correct because they have been validated. Offering to foster them makes you look like the bad guy who wants to steel this guys goats even though your heart is in the right place.

As for his suggestion of bringing them to auction tell him to go right ahead. If he really believed he could get $300 as much for them at auction, he wouldnt be willing to sell to you for $100. I have used the I can take them to auction as a bargaining point with my customers but I KNOW what I can get for them at auction. I will sell them for less on farm since I do not have to transport them but not that much less.

 

[elevan]

I really don't think Animal Control would do much of anything here. They are being fed...albeit incorrectly...none of them are skinny...albeit none have a healthy looking rumen....their coats all look good...but I don't know how long he's had them....he said he bought the entire herd together because of the buck's impressive set of horns He thought the buck was only 1-2 years old...obviously it was at least 6-8 or older imo.

20kids, with the amount of goats, sheep and donkeys he had in an enclosed space there was NO cover for hiding...not even grass. Granted the doe in question did "escape" the pen and was running freely on the property so she "could" have hid the kid. But, come on...24 hours old and it disappears and they hadn't seen it since that morning and I was there at 7:30 at night?! I really do think it's dead.

I was sick about the whole thing last night. It just made me want to cry knowing the mismanagement issues that are going wrong there. DH wasn't with me when I went to look at them...but I got an idea of what his reaction would have been when I told him about it when he got home from work...we may have been escorted from the property if DH had been with me. The guy said he'd call me when he finds the kid and I'll probably just let DH give him a talking to at that point.

No, I won't be buying goat rescues...and I won't be calling animal control on this one (as jodief100 said it could come across wrong on my side). I may call animal control in the near future and let them know that I have room to take in goat rescues if needed in case someone else calls though

The whole thing makes me mad and sad for those poor goats.