Coat & Fur Conditioning.

[elevan]

both my billy an nanny have slick shiney coats.an i feed them some grain an let them graze all they want.

Among professionals, females are called "does" and males are called "bucks". Goats are related to deer, hence the naming. It helps to improve the image of goats overall if they not referred to as "billies" or "nannies".

Depending on where you are from...

A male goat is referred to as EITHER a billy, buck or at time a wether

A female is referred to as EITHER a doe or a nanny

Not everyone who has goats is a professional and all names listed above are perfectly acceptable to use.

 

[elevan]

I have been asked to post this on here; I want to make it aware that this is just what we do with our goats, I'm sure results may vary.

As we all know, often times stress, birthing, bad diets and neglect can affect the coat health of goats.

Often times on goats that we have rescued or that have just kidded and we want to get into better condition faster we will add one 'glug' of Aloe Vera juice per gallon of water.
Aloe Vera juice can help against dry skin, dandruff, promotes hair growth and helps maintain a healthy coat, not to mention all of the good things it does internally for the body. Aloe Vera juice can be found at Walmart in either the supplement and/or health section. There are a variety of flavors; we have used the berry flavor and original; they and others may work.. unless your goat might be a bit picky. We do this daily for about 1-2 weeks.
I have also heard that some people take 4-6 cc's in a syringe and give it to the goat directly in the mouth to get a taste of it directly before having the change of water.

Another thing you can do is buy BOSS (black oil sunflower seeds - the kind your buy for your bird feeders).

BOSS contains selenium which helps hoof and coat growth and makes the coat very shiney. I've heard some people will give a cup twice a day (which you may want to do if your just starting and want to get the coat in better condition) but we usually give a cup mixed with the normal feed once a day for our three milkers. We usually do this year long and have good results. Our goats thouroughly enjoy BOSS and it also makes for a great treat.
With that said you do not want to overdose your goats on selenium because it can have bad affects.

I hope this can help other people.

If you do feed your kids or adults BOSS how can you make sure they do not overdose on Selenium? After reading your thread I thought it would be good to add BOSS to my kids grain on a daily basis to help with some dandruff I have noticed, but I want to make sure I have no overdose scare. Any suggestions on how much to feed each kid to make sure I don't overdose them on Selenium. Currently my kids receive about 1/2lb of grain each (planing on slowly increasing to 1lb each per day), plus 3way hay topped off w/ a little alfalfa, and pasture everyday.

From 20kidsonhill in another thread:

the maximum daily amount of Selenium in all feeds combined should not be more than .7 Mg per head per day.

Check labels and do the math...

 

[20kidsonhill]

I have been asked to post this on here; I want to make it aware that this is just what we do with our goats, I'm sure results may vary.

As we all know, often times stress, birthing, bad diets and neglect can affect the coat health of goats.

Often times on goats that we have rescued or that have just kidded and we want to get into better condition faster we will add one 'glug' of Aloe Vera juice per gallon of water.
Aloe Vera juice can help against dry skin, dandruff, promotes hair growth and helps maintain a healthy coat, not to mention all of the good things it does internally for the body. Aloe Vera juice can be found at Walmart in either the supplement and/or health section. There are a variety of flavors; we have used the berry flavor and original; they and others may work.. unless your goat might be a bit picky. We do this daily for about 1-2 weeks.
I have also heard that some people take 4-6 cc's in a syringe and give it to the goat directly in the mouth to get a taste of it directly before having the change of water.

Another thing you can do is buy BOSS (black oil sunflower seeds - the kind your buy for your bird feeders).

BOSS contains selenium which helps hoof and coat growth and makes the coat very shiney. I've heard some people will give a cup twice a day (which you may want to do if your just starting and want to get the coat in better condition) but we usually give a cup mixed with the normal feed once a day for our three milkers. We usually do this year long and have good results. Our goats thouroughly enjoy BOSS and it also makes for a great treat.
With that said you do not want to overdose your goats on selenium because it can have bad affects.

I hope this can help other people.

If you do feed your kids or adults BOSS how can you make sure they do not overdose on Selenium? After reading your thread I thought it would be good to add BOSS to my kids grain on a daily basis to help with some dandruff I have noticed, but I want to make sure I have no overdose scare. Any suggestions on how much to feed each kid to make sure I don't overdose them on Selenium. Currently my kids receive about 1/2lb of grain each (planing on slowly increasing to 1lb each per day), plus 3way hay topped off w/ a little alfalfa, and pasture everyday.

From 20kidsonhill in another thread:

the maximum daily amount of Selenium in all feeds combined should not be more than .7 Mg per head per day.

Check labels and do the math...

This could be a very difficult calculation, possibly requiring a nutritionist to help with converstions

For example:
my feed label on grain says contains a minimum of 80 ppm and
the bottle of red cell says: 20 ppm per lb or .65 mg per ounce
ect.....

 

[elevan]

If you do feed your kids or adults BOSS how can you make sure they do not overdose on Selenium? After reading your thread I thought it would be good to add BOSS to my kids grain on a daily basis to help with some dandruff I have noticed, but I want to make sure I have no overdose scare. Any suggestions on how much to feed each kid to make sure I don't overdose them on Selenium. Currently my kids receive about 1/2lb of grain each (planing on slowly increasing to 1lb each per day), plus 3way hay topped off w/ a little alfalfa, and pasture everyday.

From 20kidsonhill in another thread:

the maximum daily amount of Selenium in all feeds combined should not be more than .7 Mg per head per day.

Check labels and do the math...

This could be a very difficult calculation, possibly requiring a nutritionist to help with converstions

For example:
my feed label on grain says contains a minimum of 80 ppm and
the bottle of red cell says: 20 ppm per lb or .65 mg per ounce
ect.....

Well shoot 20kids! Any ideas on how to make it less complicated? Not everyone can just call up a goat nutritionist...

 

[Ariel301]

Rough, dull, itchy, thin, and flaky coats can also be caused by copper deficiency or a parasite overload--either internal worms or lice on the skin. All the selenium and vitamins in the world won't fix it if that is the main problem, you have to correct that first and then supplementing might get some results.

 

[20kidsonhill]

If you do feed your kids or adults BOSS how can you make sure they do not overdose on Selenium? After reading your thread I thought it would be good to add BOSS to my kids grain on a daily basis to help with some dandruff I have noticed, but I want to make sure I have no overdose scare. Any suggestions on how much to feed each kid to make sure I don't overdose them on Selenium. Currently my kids receive about 1/2lb of grain each (planing on slowly increasing to 1lb each per day), plus 3way hay topped off w/ a little alfalfa, and pasture everyday.

From 20kidsonhill in another thread:

Check labels and do the math...

This could be a very difficult calculation, possibly requiring a nutritionist to help with converstions

For example:
my feed label on grain says contains a minimum of 80 ppm and
the bottle of red cell says: 20 ppm per lb or .65 mg per ounce
ect.....

Well shoot 20kids! Any ideas on how to make it less complicated? Not everyone can just call up a goat nutritionist...

I have no idea, I have a BS in animals science and a minor in chemistry, with very good math skills and it would not be easy for me to figure it all out. I have given it a passing thought every know and then, that is why i have noticed my feed bag reading 80ppm, and other things reading percentages, and yet other things reading mg per lb or per ounce, for the exact same mineral. You would have to beable to convert all of those things into mg, off the top of my head, I don't know how to do that, would take some research on my part, that is why I mentioned the nutritionalist, I am sure they have all that information stored up in their brains.

does any one on here know how to convert PPM(Part per million) to Mg per lb?

 

[elevan]

This could be a very difficult calculation, possibly requiring a nutritionist to help with converstions

For example:
my feed label on grain says contains a minimum of 80 ppm and
the bottle of red cell says: 20 ppm per lb or .65 mg per ounce
ect.....

Well shoot 20kids! Any ideas on how to make it less complicated? Not everyone can just call up a goat nutritionist...

I have no idea, I have a BS in animals science and a minor in chemistry, with very good math skills and it would not be easy for me to figure it all out. I have given it a passing thought every know and then, that is why i have noticed my feed bag reading 80ppm, and other things reading percentages, and yet other things reading mg per lb or per ounce, for the exact same mineral. You would have to beable to convert all of those things into mg, off the top of my head, I don't know how to do that, would take some research on my part, that is why I mentioned the nutritionalist, I am sure they have all that information stored up in their brains.

does any one on here know how to convert PPM(Part per million) to Mg per lb?

Well...that was easier than I thought! I just did a search and found a calculator!

Calculator for converting PPM to MG


And for those who like to do long form...

There are two parts to this. In water, at low concentrations, the approximation 1ppm = 1 mg/L holds up pretty good because the density of the solution is approximately 1 g/mL or 1 kg/L If you start getting in the range greater than 1000 mg/L, this starts breaking down. Always acknowledge when you use the approximation.

If you want the true conversion you have to measure the density of the water. Remember 1 ppm = 1 mg/kg, so

1 mg/kg X kg/L (the density) = mg/L

 

[20kidsonhill]

Eleven; now you are just showing off. Seriously though, thanks for the info. it will help.

 

[20kidsonhill]

So how much selenium is in sunflower seeds, trying to get back on subject?

Sunflower seeds do have wonderful oils in them for hair coat quality. Is it possible to have too much selenium if it is in the feed, minerals, and sunflower seeds?

 

[20kidsonhill]

I found this chart

Mineral Amount
(per 1 lb) Mineral Amount
(per 1 lb)
Calcium 527.43 mg Copper 7.96 mg
Iron 30.82 mg Magnesium 1609.57 mg
Manganese 9.22 mg Phosphorus 3205.50 mg
Potassium 3132.75 mg Selenium 270.53 mcg
Sodium 13.64 mg Zinc 22.99 mg


from here

http://www.understanding-horse-nutrition.com/black-oil-sunflower-seeds.html

Just need to convert 270.53 mcg per lb into MG to find out how much selenium they contain.