Help! Vet's Out til Mon - What am I dealing with?!? (VET UPDATE pg8)

[20kidsonhill]

Yep, UC can hit very young.

As far as suggestions...I'd have him on AC tablets...but those are Rx, so IDK. I've always had ammonium chloride to give bolus doses of since we lost our first buck to UC when he was 6 mos old.

How much luck have you had with this treatment? We haven't had much problems with UC, but we push some our show whether hard and I am sure it is just a matter of time before it stricks again.

 

[AlaskanShepherdess]

Apple cider vinegar will prevent UC, I don't know what to do once they have them, but uva ursi and butchers broom are worth trying. They certainly won't hurt. My mom takes them for her kidney stones. The uva ursi literally breaks the stones up into pieces that can be passed.

 

[helmstead]

I've heard hydrangea root also is a great UC treatment.

I've personally never saved a UC case, nor has my vet surgically. We've only had two cases ourselves, and a client of ours had a 5 month old wether die after surgical action was taken. As far as I'm concerned, it's a death sentence...but there ARE plenty of people that have managed to get their boys through it.

 

[elevan]

I've added apple cider vinegar to his drinking water which is fresh, put salt out for him to hopefully further increase water intake (though he drinks a lot normally), I also drenched him with 4cc mix (1 part vinegar / 3 parts water), applied baby butt cream to the affected area. Temperature is normal.

I have not been able to see him pee yet...

His affected area looked less crusty just before I applied the cream, so the area didn't look as nasty.

He doesn't show any signs of discomfort when I feel and push trying to check for a block.

If it's UC and the vet has a nonsurgical approach I'll try it. But it sounds like the surgical approach doesn't work much...so I won't put him through that.

If anyone has additional ideas then I will try them - I don't want to lose Snickers!

I've heard hydrangea root also is a great UC treatment.

Where would I find this? Health food store?

uva ursi and butchers broom

Same here...health food store?

How would you administer these? And how much?

 

[Emmetts Dairy]

DONT WAIT....I would call another vet or Emg clinic??? Something. He must have coverage??? Drive him to wherever.

First apple cider viniger will NOT cure, treat or prevent UC...Just not true. Dont use it..really. Sorry...but it wont work.

Make sure he's peeing...if he is not peeing at all..dont make him drink to much...cuz if he's clogged his bladder could burst and kill him. And if he's not peeing...you MUST get him to a vet to cath him and see if the stone can be dislodged or where it is. If urine starts backing up into him cuz he cant pee..he will get septic and die or his bladder will burst...Im sorry...but this is a serious situation and you need to act.

If he is peeing you need to get some Amonuin Chloride in him asap. If need to have shipped overnight. Call other farms they may have it on hand.

This is also extremly painful to him! And serious...

I lost my buck to this..we ended up putting him down. Dont mean to panic you...but all I can say is act now and get treatment for him..or you will lose him.

Im sorry Good luck

 

[Emmetts Dairy]

Also you need to check to see if its in his pizzel...which is the appendig on the side of his penis. And then your gonna wanna snip that pizzel off. Its not always there...but it is a common place where smaller stones get stuck.

Your gonna need two people for this. Your gonna wanna right him up like your doing a castration. Sit him on his but basically. Then with clean rubber gloves pull out his penis and feel for anything in there...and check the pizzel and make sure nothings stuck in there.

With sharp and CLEAN scizzors your gonna want to cut that pizzel off and see if any urine comes out.

He will cry and yell...but just focus...cuz if you can move that stone out..he will have a chance.

But I cant stress...you will lose him if treatment is'ant started right away...monday can be too late...sorry to sound harsh...Ive been there and lost my buck...and it stinks!!!!

 

[Emmetts Dairy]

I would be certain he is peeing. If you dont see him peeing get the salt out of there. And easy on the water...and get him help....Sorry Im so insistant...but as Kate said...it generally is a death sentence for them. It is an very painful way for them to die as well.

Some people have luck cuz they catch it earlier and admister AC when they notice their peeing has slowed or darkened in color.

UC is because his PH in his is off in his urine...due to feed and it creates stones..blockages.

Check you feed labels and make certain it has Amonium Chloride in it for bucks...or get AC and add it to feed...or dont grain at all if he makes it thru.

 

[elevan]

Finding the vet that I have was hard enough...so I have no option but to wait til Monday for vet help.

I will not have an extra set of hands until about 2am...so we'll check the pizzle situation then.

I'm not sticking my head in the sand, believe me I know that this is serious and that I could loose a great goat. I'm willing to do whatever that I can for him this weekend, including snipping his pizzle.

I've order the AC, they say even overnighting it at this late I may not get it until Monday.

His feed has AC in it and he only gets about a 1/4 cup once a day and he eats lots of grass mix hay and drinks a ton of water regularly.

 

[Emmetts Dairy]

I did'nt mean to sound like you were'nt not reacting...sorry if I sounded that way...I was just trying to stress how serious and painful it is to him.

I am sorry you are going thru this with him. I lost my buck young with this. So I did alot of research on it. Be careful with what you give him right now...baking sodas, salts etc...you dont want to add to the problem.

And really..vinager wont hurt...but truly it wont help...I dont wanna sound mean..I just would hate to see you lose you boy! I know its heartbreaking.

Another issue that can cause problems with this is castrating them too young..and there parts dont grow fully and can add to the issue.

I wish you the best with him!! I hope you find something in his pizzel tonight!

 

[AlaskanShepherdess]

Yes you can find Hydrangea, Uva Ursi and Butcher's broom at the HFS. They come in capsules. I would imagine the best way would be to make a tea out of them and drench him if you have a drench gun, if not try to get him to swallow the capsules.


Emmett's, why do you say that ACV is ineffective for UC? I'm not flaming, just wondering. I have used it very successfully for similar issues in dogs and humans. The key is using ENOUGH. A TBS or so in a bucket of water will not be enough, they need a T or so a day directly in their feed.