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Moving with an LGD

Discussion in 'Livestock Guardians' started by newbiekat, Mar 11, 2018.

  1. Mar 12, 2018
    Southern by choice

    Southern by choice Herd Master Golden Herd Member

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    Having an area that is fenced well, ajacent to the goats is best. The goats get use to the dog and vice versa... then you take the dog in with the goats and let then get to know each other. Do a search and you should find where I have talked about this. You don't want goats running because they are scared then the dog chases them etc

    You need to do this, if the dog has good LGD traits it is not so much training as it is proper introduction and guiding him through maturity
    That is a shame because like I said most often when people get a single they end up with issues then they blame the dog then the dog gets sent off... etc etc. Seen it too many times to count.



    This could be the case or he is bored. Any other LGD's? Just him?
     
  2. Mar 12, 2018
    newbiekat

    newbiekat Loving the herd life

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    I am trying to read through them, but need to give the seller an answer pretty quick here about whether I am going to take him home with us or not. I will eventually read through the threads (like I did with the goats).

    So for our property there is the triangle shaped part and then the square part that juts out to the south. Both are fenced separately (barbed wire) with the driveway in between. Would that be too far away from the goats? I will look for that post, I'm sorry if this is redundant to the questions you have already answered.

    He is the only LGD there.

    If we were to get another GP, what age should we be looking at? Similar to his age? Younger? Older? Already trained to a farm? Both needing training?
     
  3. Mar 12, 2018
    newbiekat

    newbiekat Loving the herd life

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    So I got a little more information from the seller... The dog is leaving the property and going to a neighbor's who is apparently feeding him. They have gotten rid of the cattle that they had in the pasture so he is not currently guarding anything.... So the boredom thing could be a factor. I told her we would not keep him during this month long transition time, and if he is there when we move then we will figure it out from there.

    I am looking into training programs for livestock dogs in the area. Hopefully if we can find one quickly, so we can we take him to them ASAP after we move in. Also, I convinced Hubby to get another one of similar age due to the wealth of knowledge that was being shared with me, that we NEEDED another one. He agreed.

    So now we have the issue of a neighbor feeding him... I am not holding my breath for this pup. Either he is there when we get there, or not. We will deal with it when the time comes. If not, we will look at getting pups later on once we get settled.
     
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    Southern by choice Herd Master Golden Herd Member

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    Good! As far as your fencing- you have goats the new property - if I read this right- has 5 strand barbed wire?

    Will you have a paddock for the goats or are you letting them just run the whole of the land? I advice paddocks. Also barbed wire is a big no no. Not good for goats, not good for dogs. Horrible accidents waiting to happen.

    If you have fencing adequate for now on the 3 acres I would take the dog now. Spend time with him introducing him to goats and seeing how he does.
     
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  5. Mar 13, 2018
    newbiekat

    newbiekat Loving the herd life

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    I would like to have paddocks and rotate pasture eventually, but in the beginning they will probably have access to the whole of the land.

    What is adequate fencing for a GP? We currently have field fence (4" openings) around approx. 1/4 acre that he could stay in which is adjacent to the goats who have 2 acres... Would that be sufficient? Or would I need to put hotwire in it too?

    I have attached a pic of our current property, the goats are in the yellow part (but have access to the red part- we just have it closed off right now), and the red part is where our chickens are, and where the dog would go if we brought him home now
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  6. Mar 13, 2018
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    I would put him in the 1/4 acre. I sure wouldn't miss a chance for a free LGD that is already at home in your new home. The timing might not be the best with all that you have going on, but it will all work out. I'd say go get the dog.
     
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    newbiekat Loving the herd life

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    @Baymule I like your answer! :clap

    Another couple questions:

    -Are there any books that anyone can suggest for me to read up on in the mean time? I am going through the forum threads as well, but would like some sort of training guide while we are transitioning and looking for a formal training program.

    -If we are looking at getting another dog, would it be wise to get another male? Female? Similar age? Older?

    - For the new property, being the two pastures are separated by the driveway, would I have to keep him in one designated pasture?

    - Chickens at the new place are outside of the fenced area... How do I get the dog trained to chickens if they aren't in his fenced area?
     
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    I was given a free Great Pyrenees some years back because she killed chickens. They punished her terribly and she HATED my chickens. But-they were in a coop in HER back yard. Eventually, with time and patience, the chickens became "HERS" since they were in HER yard. She became the best darn chicken dog you've ever seen. Same thing with the sheep. She wanted to attack them. We built a small pen in "her" yard and weaned lambs in that pen. They got the benefit of her protection from being in her yard. We sat in the yard and let the lambs out for short periods of time, then put them back in their pen. We put a leash on her, let it drag, and she walked among the lambs. We praised her a LOT! And over time, she realized the lambs belonged to her and she went from wanting to knock them down to protecting them. She is fantastic with the sheep now.

    You might use this same approach with your new dog. Pen the goats up in "HIS" pasture until he gets the idea that they belong to him. Take him in their pen, praise him, lots of love. Let them out in "his" pasture when you can be out there with him, for short periods of time, slowly longer periods of time, then put them up. Keep them penned at night while he has free run of the pasture, he'll get the idea.
     
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  9. Mar 14, 2018
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    Thanks for your input. I am planning on putting up electric fence in that 1/4 acre today, around the perimeter as well as around the chickens specifically. Then I think I am going to try and get him tomorrow afternoon. He will share a fence line with the goats, and be in the same area as the chickens, just with hot wire around them. Do I need to pen him up during the day until I get home from work? Or let him wander the 1/4 acre?

    @Baymule can you explain the small pen idea a little more? Did the sheep get to graze the pasture while you were training her to them? Did you build it out of cattle panels? Electric fence? Sorry I'm asking so many questions. :hide
     
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