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New goat mom to a sweet culled pygmy baby girl

Discussion in 'Birthing, Weaning, and Raising Young Goats' started by Danielle89, Nov 18, 2018.

  1. Nov 18, 2018
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    Greetings and welcome to BYH from NE TX! So glad you joined us. Congrats on your new baby doeling (and buckling). Very cute! Sorry momma goat is being a butt head and won't accept her daughter. It happens. Sometimes it's because the momma "knows" there's something "wrong" or "not right" with the baby and she won't accept it. Other times, there's no real reason that anyone can tell. Did momma goat get her CD&T shot ~ 30 days before kidding? articles.extension.org/pages/27116/goat-vaccination-program And just for your viewing pleasure: http://adkgoats.blogspot.com/2014/04/april-topic-poorly-illustrated-guide-to.html More very good information and reading for you: www.uaex.edu/farm-ranch/animals-forages/docs/ANSC_GSEnews_may_june2011.pdf And another since I seem to be on a roll here: http://www.tennesseemeatgoats.com/articles2/goatmedications.html And since you said you had an issue with proper feeding: https://fiascofarm.com/goats/feeding.htm#bottle

    You can buy basic anti biotics at TSC such as Pen G and the like: https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/search/antibiotics
    You can also get a vitamin E/selenium paste there which is not as potent as BO-SE, but has the things needed. You DO have to be careful with selenium as the tolerance for goats is a very narrow window and you can OD them and kill them if they have too much.

    You can't get such nice things as BO-SE https://www.drugs.com/vet/bo-se.html or Banamine (pain killer/anti inflammatory) https://www.merck-animal-health-usa.com
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    without a vet prescription. Often they stock these items at their clinic but the mark up is pretty high. You can get them online much cheaper if you are going to get them. I would print out a copy of a pricing page from online and bring it with you to the vet to show them. I have had success asking the vet office to price match and if they won't, I get the script and buy the drug online.

    There's a wealth of info, knowledge and experience shared in the multitude of threads. Browse around and see what interesting stuff you can find. By all means post away when the desire strikes you, especially if you have questions (provide as much detail/info as possible and pictures truly help)... With all the great folks here, generally someone will respond in no time at all. Please make yourself at home!

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  2. Nov 18, 2018
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    Thank you!!! I went and added my location i thought i done that when i joined :( thank you for all the info!!! Im already on lobe with this site i have been a member of backyard chickens for a while and im so happy to find that people here are just as nice and helpful!! Edited to add no she didn't not get a shot I just found out about the shots when I found this site unfortunately:( but the babies will be receiving theirs and the rest of the herd as well. The people we got the adults from had no clue about them so I don't know any of their medical history
     
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    I might have missed something, BYH is running really slow for me ATM. Are you going to give BoSe because the kid is limping? Could the kid have been stepped on?

    Have you checked the kid for a cleft palate?
    Sneezing after a bottle isn’t terribly uncommon but I don’t like seeing newborns doing so. If there is no cleft palate then you need to look at the nipple; is the milk flowing too fast? Does the kid need a few “breaks” when having a bottle.

    Many kids aspirate on birthing fluids, especially if you don’t suction the kids (with a bulb syringe) and this can cause respiratory issues in kids. Generally this fluid will be absorbed and won’t cause an issue. We have had large litters (4-5 kids) and these kids generally aspirate on birthing fluids while being born. Honestly, you could talk to your vet about giving Biomycyn (oxytetracycline) to see if it helps. On our goats, a 103 temp would be considered a fever, though that’s not necessarily the norm. Biomycyn has an anti stinging agent- good for kids especially. We have had to do this on a few kids that were struggling with a traumatic birth.
     
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    Glad I could help. :) Goats can be a lot of fun, but they also can present some pretty interesting challenges. There really is a great group of folks here and many are goat folks. Though it seems like there isn't a lot of activity/posting going on, most folks here are just posting to theirs and other's journals. New posts are generally like yours... either a new member introducing them selves, or a new member with some emergency they need help with. But there's a wealth of good info here, even if it was posted years ago, you just have to browse around and find it!
     
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    No I'm not currently you going to give her anything I did however splint it a little bit ago just to try and help her she had been running and jumping alot so I'm thinking that maybe she has what I seen called a green tree fracture? It said it was fairly common in young kids? If it's not better by Tuesday she will be seeing a vet. I don't think she has cleft palate but I'm not 100% sure what that would look like on a goat I was assuming it would look the same as a humans? We tried Pritchard nipple but she refused it I got her to take a avent regular baby bottle it doesn't flow fast it looks like the small stream that comes put of the moms test when we milk her when you squeeze the nipple of the bottle. She does take breaks now but she didn't start doing that until yesterday :( she seems to be feeling better since she got some warm sun today in the yard her nose isn't running as bad an she didn't sneeze during her 8.45 feeding but she did take 2 breaks
     
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    Also we have her on a milk replacer just started her on it last night I hope it's ok I've read mixed info on it but I was desperate because I can't milk either of my mommas with a strong person to help hold them they are not fans of being milked lol
     
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    What kind is it? How did you transition it to her?
     
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    It is a uni replacer made by manna pro They didnt have just kid replacer and I just went by the instructions on the bag for pygmy/small breeds of goats and fixed it for her..I was completely out of milk from the mom :( I have a feeling this is a bad thing? :hide
     
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    It's not Ideal. I mean it's not (Correct me if I'm wrong) going to cause the issues she's having with her leg. BUT, from my experience causes scours, bloat, stunted growth, and not very energetic kids. I tried raising kids on sav-a-calf multi species replacer. 1 kid died from bloat, the rest would get scours pretty frequently, and all of them were stunted and much thinner than the others. Sav-a-calf is probably much worse then what you are feeding though. I know people that have had success when raising a kid with unimilk. But I won't use any milk replacer that isn't milk (protein) based. It's not the end of the world if it's not, but it is definitely not the healthiest thing for them. I have heard good growth rates and success on whole cows milk. For $26 around here, I could buy 13 gallons of milk. And if my brain still works, that should be almost enough to wean a kid. I have heard much better success on (whole)cows milk then I have on replacer. IMO though, I do like the whole protein replacer better. I have had decent growth, and it is so easy! Simply heat some water, mix in the powder and done! Of course, goats milk should be your(and everyone's) #1 choice, but sometime you just can't get that(like in your situation) I asked about the transitioning because normally it is done slowly. As an example. I am feeding a kid 8oz of goat milk. To put him on a milk supplement, I would feed him 7oz of the goat milk and add 1oz of the "replacer". Next feeding I would do 6oz of goat milk, 2oz of replacer. So on, and so on. I would do that until I'm fully on my replacer of choice. Doing it quickly can cause some problems. Glad others came in to help! Definitely not as experienced as them, and I'm still learning my self, so this info is helping you, and I learn! Edited to correct some issues
     
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    Ok so after sifting through the above links I'm wondering if I should just transition her to the milk we drink? It's whole milk with vit D? Also I didn't cut an x into the baby bottle nipple because I didn't want to "drown" her with the milk she eats 2-3 oz per feeding usually every 5 hours? Could this be why she isn't growing as fast as her twin? Oh man I thought I was doing good lol now I'm not so sure :idunno