Nueral Tube Defect - no tail - Pics pg. 1 Vet results, pg. 3

[hoosierchick]

Awww, I'm sorry about the deformed kid. At the vet we had a breeder bring in a kitten that was sort of like this. A Persian, it had no tail and the anus was slack, no muscle tone and it just dribbled pee out of the rear end where a females normal organs would be. On necropsy, the colon,urinary tract, reproductive organs and spinal area were all deformed. The kitten was normal till the rear third of her body than it was undeveloped. No reason and all the other kittens in the litter were normal.

I'm sorry your kid wont make it, I know how you treasure each one and do your best for them and the mommas.

 

[SuburbanFarmChic]

Agree w/ RTG. This looks like a perineal raphe defect. If you check back on the Thelma sheep kidding photos one of her kids was born with one. He was split open instead of being shifted.

I think that this is just a random freak occurrence and wouldn't yet blame the doe. If you are going to sell her because of this and prior to another kidding, then I think that since your brain is considering it a maternal issue that you would need to be clear with buyers that that is the reason for sale.


Edit for a misread. I thought you were talking about selling Patch. Agree that selling the sister is a non-issue.

 

[ThreeBoysChicks]

I think your are good to sell the sister and not feel guily about it.

 

[ksalvagno]

Congenital defects do happen. It is random and no really good explanation. I would feel fine selling the sister. I would probably keep the mom one more year and see how she does though. Just to be absolutely sure she doesn't have something more going on. I know you aren't the type to pass on problems. Coming from the other person with the abortion, you have no idea how well she was fed or anything. Was this the first kidding with you?

I have a goat right now that is due tomorrow. She has had 2 stillborn births. Never even bagged up. Went early. This year she is bagging up beautifully and she is almost to her due date. I'm hoping for live kids. I know for a fact that this female didn't have the proper nutrition all the way back to in utero. She has been with me about a year and a half and I think nutritionally she is finally there. So I think that may be something to consider for you if the nutritional was in question at all.

 

[Roll farms]

Okee dokee.... I had to replay the message he left me 3 times to get all this written down...bear w/ my spelling / usage, I'm paraphrasing someone w/ more education than I have

The kid was female, had a uterus and the nub / opening in her belly was the vagina...it just didn't lead anywhere, he said it was full of air and urine, the uterus was full of air.
The colon was (obviously) full of meconium (newborn poop). "No outlets" is how he put it.

The pelvis was formed to about the 1/2 way point and just stopped (again that's how he put it).

He's calling it a "Nueral Tube Defect" and said there was no toxicity, viral, or bacterial cause so to 'not be concerned' on that front. "Happened way back 5 mos. ago during the embryonic phase" - in other words, not something caused by poison, dewormer, environmental factors, etc.

Other than that, he said there are a multitude of causes / contributors for NTD's and not to worry about it, they do "just happen sometimes". He said that in his opinion, there's very little chance it's genetic or something I need to worry about when selling her sister, or mentioning it to the buyer.

As far as selling the dam....I didn't know I'd said I was gonna....???
(But the woman I got her from did say to me yesterday that if I decide to, to let her know...she wants her back.)

I have to sell the other kid. This is my 'business' and, esp. now w/ her sibling gone, I have to recoup the 'loss' of that one and feeding her mom for a year....so she will be sold.
I 'budget' for ea. doe I own to produce 2 kids per year. Usually the singles are balanced out by triplets, so it works out ok.

It probably sounds cold to those of you who have goats for pets or are just starting out. Believe me, I hate the 'cold' part of it. But I have to pay the bills / feed the rest.

I used to be a lot more prone to making emotional choices over smart ones.

10 years ago I'd have probably paid for the kid to have colonoscopy surgery.....

 

[redtailgal]

It's not cold at all, Rolls. It's good business sense.

Thanks for the update.

 

[SheepGirl]

It's not cold at all, Rolls. It's good business sense.

Thanks for the update.

X2

 

[Mamaboid]

It's not cold, it is what anyone who raises animals has to make every day.....A HARD DECISION. WE don't like em, we wish we didn't have to make em, but it is part of the job of being mommy to any kind of critter. Just concentrate on the good, look at all those beautiful healthy babies you got.

 

[ksalvagno]

You can't keep everything and the ones you do have, have to eat. So can't see anything bad in selling the doe kid that is left. Glad the necropsy confirmed that it was congenital.

 

[RPC]

How interesting thank you for the update. Good luck selling that red girl I am sure she will make someone very happy.