Goat Whisperer
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I know that a C section at the closest emergency clinic is over 4 grand in our area.
But you are missing my point. I said " Anyone who breeds dogs for the sole purpose of making money is a mill (there could be a few exceptions, but I can't think of them now)"
So tell me, if someone goes on Craigslist, buys two $50 pups and breeds them for profit, you do not see it as I do?
I know the cost, and I know what work goes into the pups from a good breeder. But if you are breeding for the sole purpose of making money I see that as a mill.
Heck, if you make a profit I don't really care. Of course you cannot gives dogs away. I have no problem with $1200 dogs. I am all for them. But if you are breeding each bitch 2x a year so you can sell pups for $1200, JUST TO MAKE MONEY you are crazy to think that isn't a mill.
I have been doing this a while, I am not newb.
You seem upset that I made a statement like that. I guess you know a lot of reputable folks that are in dogs for the sole purpose of making money ? Not for furthering the breed or making outstanding LGD's? Because that goes against most of what you've put on the forum.
I am very familiar with the costs, hours, and work. I work extremely closely with SBC (and some others) and I know first hand. I know that feeding pups alone, from weaning until they are placed, is in the $1000's.This is why I have a stringent application process and insist people complete it or they don't get past the first Email.
I am always shocked at the number of people who stick noses up in the air over filling out applications. As said in my DGJ article - people should be embracing the fact that the
breeder cares enough to screen homes for their pups, not the opposite.
Behind every bad breeder are bad customers who don't care, want it cheap, want it fast, want it close by, who don't keep in touch with their breeder and lean on them for support.
Those are the people who keep the backyard breeders and puppy mills afloat. They are to be blamed as much as the puppy mill. No one forces them to buy from a puppy mill…...
"Anyone who breeds dogs for the sole purpose of making money is a mill (there could be a few exceptions, but I can't think of them now)" - @Goat Whisperer I don't give my pups away (although I have placed adult dogs at no cost, and have given away a few pups but that is not the norm), and all the reputable good breeders I know of raising LGDs, also don't give their pups away….our time is valuable, so are our bloodlines, methods, work and training that go into producing great dogs…. Do you know what it costs to raise up a great litter of good working guardian pups? Hours and hours, hundreds and hundreds of dollars….usually more often into the 1,000's if C Section required - so all most breeders get in return is usually a return on their investment into the litter. There may be small profits, i.e., "making money" as you put it, but in my case, that all goes back into the dogs - more food, advertising, more vaccines, more vet visits, another import, etc.
This is especially true today with the flood of backyard breeding going on, fad breeding, etc. I am going to sound like the old hag broken record, but many of you weren't around 9 years ago and didn't have LGDs - 9 years ago, trust me again as said in DGJ article, you had to hunt to find LGDs. They were not common as they have become in past few years. Past few years they have exploded in popularity which has been both good and seriously bad in the big picture. $100 specials on Craigslist - demeaning these dogs by price cutting. A whole new generation of LGD owners placing these dogs on the level of butcher pigs and chickens, i.e. no respect, disposable, etc. Which they are most definitely NOT…..but that is what's happened here. And it's why many reputable breeders are really speaking out now and publicly condemning irresponsible fad based breeding without game plans, purpose, knowledge, experience. LGDs have become the new fad breeds.
I know that a C section at the closest emergency clinic is over 4 grand in our area.
But you are missing my point. I said " Anyone who breeds dogs for the sole purpose of making money is a mill (there could be a few exceptions, but I can't think of them now)"
So tell me, if someone goes on Craigslist, buys two $50 pups and breeds them for profit, you do not see it as I do?
I know the cost, and I know what work goes into the pups from a good breeder. But if you are breeding for the sole purpose of making money I see that as a mill.
Heck, if you make a profit I don't really care. Of course you cannot gives dogs away. I have no problem with $1200 dogs. I am all for them. But if you are breeding each bitch 2x a year so you can sell pups for $1200, JUST TO MAKE MONEY you are crazy to think that isn't a mill.
I have been doing this a while, I am not newb.
You seem upset that I made a statement like that. I guess you know a lot of reputable folks that are in dogs for the sole purpose of making money ? Not for furthering the breed or making outstanding LGD's? Because that goes against most of what you've put on the forum.