Is this coccidia? UPDATE on fecals- HIGH STRANGENESS.... PLEASE LOOK

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

Hi Karen,

In your opinion, what would be the suggested dosage for her weight (35 lbs) - I have the " goats prefer " probiotic paste. Is it possible to overdose probios? Thanks

I would give her some Probios daily for a week too. Never hurts to give Probios.

I'm not sure of the dose for paste. I use the large side of the dipper in the powder. You cannot overdose probiotics.

 

[Pixie Dust]

Does anyone know if the cocci that infect chickens can be spread to goats? Trying to solve my mystery and decide whether I should give the birds some sulmet... Thanks!

 

[Southern by choice]

No it is species specific.

BTW very hard to tell from your pic... when I run my fecals at 100x the cocci is so small you really have to have an eye to catch it. If I think I see something then I go to a 400x.

Is there a chance your goat got into too much chicken feed? Especially since the fecal was neg from the vets.

 

[Pixie Dust]

No on the chicken feed. Its not kept outside. Keep it in my butler's pantry in the house. Chickens don't run with the goats. But, they broke into the compost pile a few weeks ago. Not sure why - they always have access to super high quality timothy hay... perhaps they were bored. They didn't get much out of the pile. Got to them pretty quickly. Little monsters

Thanks for the tips!! Going to try to do more fecals later today. Pixie is doing soooo much better. Just gave her B1 orally and it really sparked her appetite! No runs - just big soft berries. Poor little muzzle is green, orange and white (all the meds)! Looks like the flag of the Ivory coast!

 

[ksalvagno]

I"ve always bought Probios so I'm not sure. I give 5g of Probios to little ones and 10g Probios to adults.

 

[Pearce Pastures]

No it is species specific.

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GOAT species
Eimeria crandallis
Eimeria christenseni
Eimeria arloingi

* Historically, some Eimeria species were thought to be infectious and transmissible between sheep and goats, but the parasites are now considered host-specific. the names of some species of goat coccidia are still erroneously applied to species of similar appearance found in sheep-Merck Vet Manual


SHEEP species
Eimeria ahsata
Eimeria ovina
Eimeria ovinoidalis (a.k.a. ninakohlyakimorae this is one that seems to be mentioned as both sheep and goat, without agreement from one source to another as to its being in both animals)

CHICKEN species
Eimeria tenella
Eimeria maxima
Eimeria acervulina Eimeria
Eimeria mivati
Eimeria burnetti
Eimeria necatrix
Eimeria mitis
Eimeria praecox
Eimeria hagani


TURKEY species
Eimeria adenoeides
Eimeria dispersa
Eimeria gallopavonis
Eimeria meleagrimitis
Eimeria innocua
Eimeria meleagridis
Eimeria subrotunda

 

[Pixie Dust]

Hi Everyone!

Just sent this to Jodie via email ( we are in the same chicken group and have communicated before) Ideas/thoughts/suggestions appreciated:

I had hubby pick up some scour halt on his way home tonight. Pixie had large berries earlier today, but as the day progressed, she went to mushy and then a squirty poo. Now back to mush.

I have been reading on numerous sites that scour halt is good for kids, but may cause cessation of peristatic action of the rumen and possible death in adult goats.

Needless to say, I am a little freaked out about using this.

Pix is eating. She is ruminating some. She is on Sulmet and Safeguard. She had 5 cc's of probiotic paste. I gave her 3 cc's of Thiamine and injected 3 cc's sq. When her temp dropped below 100 today, I gave her some strong coffee with Karo syrup. Temp is back to 100.7. Someone on the forum recommended flat strong beer to re-florinate the rumen. I have some ready to go, but I am a little nervous about that ( stout, room temp, and flat). She grinds her teeth just a little bit and still continues to eat and drink.

We have a euonymus stand at the back of the yard. They've been grazing on it a bit as it is the only living thing in the yard now. I didn't remove it when I got them, as I read somewhere that it was not toxic. I am now finding information that it is. Do you think that could be the problem? The other two are having no reaction.

Pix just came off a course of Equimax (eyelids were somewhat pale). Scours started three days after last dose.

I would really love your opinion about the scour halt. I am terrified to give it to her. I would have taken her to the vet today, but her poo was firming up until the late afternoon, now its mushy/squirty. She is alert though. Eating/drinking/talking. Tail between fully up and down, depending. Temp is holding consistent at just over 101.

Thanks so much. Sorry to bother you, but I am a little desperate right now.

Suzanne

Oh - a footnote - went out to put them in their shed to find all three of them on the back porch, a little "wide eyed" as a nasty old oppossum was making his way onto the deck. I scared it off...Do you think an oppossum could infect Pix with something?

EDIT TO ADD: Keeping in mind that Pixie is teeny tiny. 35 pounds, 17" (ish) tall. Little teeny weeny hooves and fine boned. Ridiculously tiny goat. Too much so, I fear.....

 

[BrownSheep]

I know for scouring lambs that peptobismol can help.

 

[babsbag]

I can't give you any information on scour halt as I have never used it. But I am the one that uses the beer. That treatment is used by my vet on her own goats and her patients and was suggested to her by another vet that also raises goats. Many of us use it with good results and the goats don't seem to mind. We gave a 120 lb goat an entire beer so adjust accordingly for her small size. We don't want to make her sick or drunk.

I have never had a goat with serious scours (knock on wood), so not much help there. It is good that she is eating and drinking. Hope that she turns around for you.

 

[Pixie Dust]

I can't give you any information on scour halt as I have never used it. But I am the one that uses the beer. That treatment is used by my vet on her own goats and her patients and was suggested to her by another vet that also raises goats. Many of us use it with good results and the goats don't seem to mind. We gave a 120 lb goat an entire beer so adjust accordingly for her small size. We don't want to make her sick or drunk.

I have never had a goat with serious scours (knock on wood), so not much help there. It is good that she is eating and drinking. Hope that she turns around for you.

Thank you so much - just checked on her. She was resting and alert, but as soon as she stood up? Splat! Not watery, not bloody, not a lot of poo, just pasty and medium brown with a kind of smell between corn and vomit. I have had the stout sitting out all night, so a lot of the alcohol has probably evaporated. On my way out to give Pix her "eye openener".

Again babsbag, I can't thank you enough. In fact a huge thank you to all of you for being there for this newbie.