Southern by choice
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I am confused... most of this pertains to spay/neuter that NH homesteader started... which thread are we using because now we have two threads talking about the same stuff.
Thanks for moving it.
Tail docking/ear cropping
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Thanks for moving it.
Southern by choice
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Never mind I see... this section is ears/tails
Duh ... hey it's late I am sick and need to sleep
Duh ... hey it's late I am sick and need to sleep
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Because some of the posts covered both subjects I copied them to both new threads to help avoid confusion. I guess it didn't work 
Sorry. This thread deals primarily with tail docking and ear cropping with the lead in posts that got that subject started.
Sorry. This thread deals primarily with tail docking and ear cropping with the lead in posts that got that subject started.
norseofcourse
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I had a Miniature Schnauzer when I was younger, we got him from a breeder as a puppy (for Christmas!). His tail had already been docked, but we chose not to have his ears cropped. I always thought he looked so much cuter and still 'puppy-like' with uncropped ears. His ears were semi-erect and the groomer we took him to kept the hair in his ears plucked to help with air circulation, and I don't remember him ever having an ear infection.
As far as sheep, I'm just glad I chose a breed that already has a short tail and doesn't get docked.
As far as sheep, I'm just glad I chose a breed that already has a short tail and doesn't get docked.
Southern by choice
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I groomed many a Schnauzers and I always preferred the cropped ears. Yes, the hair had to be plucked regardless but with the hair and the cropped ear there were hardly any with infection.
Norse you are pretty lucky, and probably more so than lucky, diligent in the grooming I am sure had much to do with it.
LOL I love the cropped ear
The Schnauzer is such a stoic looking dog that is so proud and astute as well as muscular and watchful and the beautiful lines of a well bred Schnauzer is really something to see... I always think when people don't do ears that they didn't "finish" the dog. 
Then again I did show and pet grooming... and I hated it when people didn't do a proper clip (for pet clip not plucking and stripping) on the breed. I guess I was kinda a picky snob!
I would love to have a Giant Schnauzer
but their beards are just too smelly.
Norse you are pretty lucky, and probably more so than lucky, diligent in the grooming I am sure had much to do with it.
LOL I love the cropped ear
The Schnauzer is such a stoic looking dog that is so proud and astute as well as muscular and watchful and the beautiful lines of a well bred Schnauzer is really something to see... I always think when people don't do ears that they didn't "finish" the dog. Then again I did show and pet grooming... and I hated it when people didn't do a proper clip (for pet clip not plucking and stripping) on the breed. I guess I was kinda a picky snob!
I would love to have a Giant Schnauzer
but their beards are just too smelly. 
OneFineAcre
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[QUOTE="Southern by choice, post: 460829, member: 6771
If you are 40 and under for the most part you never have been around intact animals, never been around a female in heat, don't know what to do, don't know how to manage your own dogs. I was around before all this spay/neuter junk and saw what was happening. I have watched this evolve into such crap I can't even go there. I get so mad and so frustrated. This didn't have anything to do with "too many" puppies... never did and still doesn't. If vets would take the 10-15 minutes or hand out a brochure on reproduction and heat cycles instead of bulling people into spaying and neutering for 10-15 minutes then and only then will we see a reduction. Before the spay/neuter programs we had far less dogs, far fewer shelters and far fewer nutjob crazy dogs. I have hundreds of pages of documentation but no time to compile it. When I tell people the truth about it they are kind of in disbelief at first, then comes the look of nahhhhhhhh, then comes the look of wheels turning, then come the questions.
The only time I consider doing such is when it is actually medically necessary.[/QUOTE]
I"m over 40
Heck I'm over 50
You are right many years ago most animals weren't fixed and there was not the number of unwanted dogs and cats as today
But you do realize that many years ago many people just "disposed" of unwanted litters
If you are 40 and under for the most part you never have been around intact animals, never been around a female in heat, don't know what to do, don't know how to manage your own dogs. I was around before all this spay/neuter junk and saw what was happening. I have watched this evolve into such crap I can't even go there. I get so mad and so frustrated. This didn't have anything to do with "too many" puppies... never did and still doesn't. If vets would take the 10-15 minutes or hand out a brochure on reproduction and heat cycles instead of bulling people into spaying and neutering for 10-15 minutes then and only then will we see a reduction. Before the spay/neuter programs we had far less dogs, far fewer shelters and far fewer nutjob crazy dogs. I have hundreds of pages of documentation but no time to compile it. When I tell people the truth about it they are kind of in disbelief at first, then comes the look of nahhhhhhhh, then comes the look of wheels turning, then come the questions.
The only time I consider doing such is when it is actually medically necessary.[/QUOTE]
I"m over 40
Heck I'm over 50
You are right many years ago most animals weren't fixed and there was not the number of unwanted dogs and cats as today
But you do realize that many years ago many people just "disposed" of unwanted litters
Green Acres Farm
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That's so cool!Then again I did show and pet grooming... and I hated it when people didn't do a proper clip (for pet clip not plucking and stripping) on the breed. I guess I was kinda a picky snob!
What dog breeds did you show?
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Southern by choice
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That wasn't very common really. But people did have some sense back then and did put down newborn pups that should have been.
Now we have issues with mutant genes and other issues. Heck, so many sell "rare" this and that... what those "rare" colors are is a mutant gene that carries all kinds of issues with it and respectable real breeders knew to put them down. Now people are so suckered in and buy this line of BS and pay big money for genetic nightmares.
Sadly in the LGD world there are lots of dogs out there that were a result of brother sister litters and people buy these dogs not knowing what they are getting. Some argue that is why one should only but papered registered animals but I have seen that too.
My family has been in canines for 5 generations... now 6.
More and more of the better breeders are now not guaranteeing their dogs if they are spayed or neutered. It has turned back around as they tried the whole restriction thing and found so many of their pups having issues when they shouldn't.
I am currently looking at brindles of different breeds. I have been looking at specific tendencies of dogs that have the gene that causes the brindle. Very interesting stuff. Sadly it is hard to get people to participate.
Now we have issues with mutant genes and other issues. Heck, so many sell "rare" this and that... what those "rare" colors are is a mutant gene that carries all kinds of issues with it and respectable real breeders knew to put them down. Now people are so suckered in and buy this line of BS and pay big money for genetic nightmares.
Sadly in the LGD world there are lots of dogs out there that were a result of brother sister litters and people buy these dogs not knowing what they are getting. Some argue that is why one should only but papered registered animals but I have seen that too.
My family has been in canines for 5 generations... now 6.
More and more of the better breeders are now not guaranteeing their dogs if they are spayed or neutered. It has turned back around as they tried the whole restriction thing and found so many of their pups having issues when they shouldn't.
I am currently looking at brindles of different breeds. I have been looking at specific tendencies of dogs that have the gene that causes the brindle. Very interesting stuff. Sadly it is hard to get people to participate.
NH homesteader
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As a brindle dog owner... I'm now quite curious!
Sorry if this offends anyone (I don't know where everyone stands on this) but some of the things breeders have done to dogs that have been shown for many years is absolutely appalling. Dogs that can't have natural births? Some of the physical features that have been breed in that make dogs useless as working dogs... Sigh.
Sorry if this offends anyone (I don't know where everyone stands on this) but some of the things breeders have done to dogs that have been shown for many years is absolutely appalling. Dogs that can't have natural births? Some of the physical features that have been breed in that make dogs useless as working dogs... Sigh.
